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drmike

100% Tier-1 Gogent
Are we a user short now?  Someone handing out random-bans, because they can? Yeah I am speaking about the @mtwiscool fellow.



Then there was weird shit going on in IRC banning the whole of Quadranet from vpsB IRC.

Not calling anyone out, but one of you, your moderation methods are getting mixed up with your personal axe grindings.  Perhaps you should start a personal private club instead of being involved in a public site.

If you are into banning users for non violations, have at it, I vote to be banned.   But I'll take my self imposed 2 week silence protest elsewhere.

Shame.  This isn't why I put my time and energy into vpsB.  I could have had this random child-like experience over on LE*.
 

Maximum_VPS

New Member
Verified Provider
Are we a user short now?  Someone handing out random-bans, because they can? Yeah I am speaking about the @[member=mtwiscool] fellow.



Then there was weird shit going on in IRC banning the whole of Quadranet from vpsB IRC.

one of you, your moderation methods are getting mixed up with your personal axe grindings.  Perhaps you should start a personal private club instead of being involved in a public site.

If you are into banning users for non violations, have at it, I vote to be banned.   But I'll take my self imposed 2 week silence protest elsewhere.

Shame.  This isn't why I put my time and energy into vpsB.  I could have had this random child-like experience over on LE*.
This is why we choose not to participate within vpsboard, the moderation of the irc to us reflects the moderation of the site.

If you are into banning users for non violations, have at it, I vote to be banned.   But I'll take my self imposed 2 week silence protest elsewhere.
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Dylan

Active Member
I kind of have to agree.

Not letting him post offers in order to protect other users -- that I could agree with since the offer guidelines specifically talk about "trustworthy vendors."

Banning him from the forums entirely -- that seems overreaching.
 

KuJoe

Well-Known Member
Verified Provider
If you think he's banned for that advertisement then you don't know Matthew very well. I'm willing to bet he got banned on here for the same reasons he's banned on basically every other forum. It's a familiar song that goes something like this:

1) Thread gets closed.

2) Matthew contacts moderator and rages.

3) Moderator explains the situation.

4) Matthew makes threats against the moderator's physical well being.

5) One-way ticket to Bantown, USA.

Additionally, if you can honestly say with a straight face that Matthew contributed anything positive to this forum aside from bringing the trolls out from lurking to increase the overall post count, then you are just kidding yourself.
 
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KuJoe

Well-Known Member
Verified Provider
EDIT: Nevermind, not a big fan of ice cream. 
 
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TheLinuxBug

New Member
I have to say, I sit in the irc channel and didn't witness whatever is being raged about here per irc, but if this is truly about mtwiscool being banned then you have reached deaf ears with me.  We have tried to help the kid many times to actually make posts that makes sense and to help him understand that not proofreading his posts and wasting our time was also annoying. Also I believe the reason he was banned was because he was warned many times not to use his threads for constant announcements and continued to do so after being warned.

@KuJoe 's summary is pretty accurate per my experience, he seems to have no respect for the mods and rages against them if he doesn't agree with their decisions.

I personally harbor no compassion for the guy because of the way he acted here.

my 2 cents.

Cheers!
 
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MannDude

Just a dude
vpsBoard Founder
Moderator
I'm on a short break, will be available longer come lunch time.

As mentioned to someone else in the past, we can't possibly list everything in the world that would justify moderator action. It's a privately owned site and the three of us (Myself, Martin and HalfEatenPie) use our best judgment when it comes to collective decision making. The ban was not carried out by any single individual's own desire and was only carried out after many requests for action to be taken was reviewed and after the three of us (Myself, Martin and HalfEatenPie) had a private discussion in regards to the topic. I'm still slightly on the fence with it so as far as I am concerned it's on a trial basis. If vpsBoard is anything like LET, he'll have multiple accounts here already.

In regards to IRC... that's a playground. It can't be taken serious at all and most people should be ashamed of what is said, done and discussed there. It's not meant to be a serious source of... anything. Some companies would be dead simply by what their owners or representatives say and discuss in there if it was shown to their customers. In regards to the ban in there, I promptly recalled it as it was not needed. As far as I am concerned, Adam is more than welcome here and in IRC as he has not done anything wrong here or there.
 

Munzy

Active Member
Alright, lets give this a go.

First off for the past week or two I have been talking to @mtwiscool on skype. He and I have been discussing things and generally I am trying to push him to the right way of things instead of the left way of things. It hasn't been easy or pleasurable of a task, but some of us need a little more hand holding then others. I do not have a screen shot of the post he made, and though I may laugh with @mojeda on some of the shit he says, I do not think he deserves to be banned for making an offer post. Unless I am mistaken that he broke a rule about posting offers, I do believe that you have zero grounds except past actions to ban him. 

Second off, @mtwiscool is making an effort. He felt like posting a "immediate release" about his new company. However, he didn't and when I asked why, he responded with "not allowed becaus of the dick called halfeatenpie". So he is honestly trying to build a filter, and it trying to do his best and work on improving himself. Though I understand he has broken yours, and even my patience at times, he deserves some credit for trying. He has been working hard, and is taking steps to follow the moderators wishes. 

Third, I hear/read that you had talks in private, and I do realize @MannDude that you are a push over, but frankly this is your forum Manndude. Not Heps, and not Martin's. I honestly think you, as the the owner, should reconsider this ban. I can fully agree and live with him not being able to make offers, even unverified, and that might be the best for him. However, to ban outright is just wrong in my opinion, and especially when all he did this time was post a unverified offer, like all the rest of us can do.

Forth, peer pressure is a bitch.  Just because everyone wants him banned, and even me included, doesn't mean you bend over and get fucked by the stampede. Generally it is best to step to the side and let the stampede go running past. You claim your self as a low moderation forum, but it currently looks like the sheep has grown some big ass horns, and is wanting to shank anyone in its way. 

I highly encourage you to rethink your stance on him and give him a shot. 

I'd also like manndude to add me on skype, I need to discuss something with you in private about events that occurred after you and your posse initiated this ban.  

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The post in question can be seen here:

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Aldryic C'boas

The Pony
You do know he's just a remarkably persistant troll, right?  And that his 'forgot to pretend to be retarded' slipups here aren't the first time he's been called out on it?

Seriously, go browse his post/thread history on other forums.  It's the same "mistakes", over and over.  People offering him the same assistance, over and over.  The pattern rinsing/repeating after each ban, over and over.  If it wasn't for his antics here being such a blatant carbon copy of his past activities, I'd be inclined to agree with you.  But no - short of being able to interrogate him in person to find out for sure, I remain convinced these are just the actions of a habitual troll.  If you really start digging into his stories, you'll find enough inconsistencies to knock the foundation out from under the lies.
 
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Munzy

Active Member
You do know he's just a remarkably persistant troll, right?  And that his 'forgot to pretend to be retarded' slipups here aren't the first time he's been called out on it?

Seriously, go browse his post/thread history on other forums.  It's the same "mistakes", over and over.  People offering him the same assistance, over and over.  The pattern rinsing/repeating after each ban, over and over.  If it wasn't for his antics here being such a blatant carbon copy of his past activities, I'd be inclined to agree with you.  But no - short of being able to interrogate him in person to find out for sure, I remain convinced these are just the actions of a habitual troll.  If you really start digging into his stories, you'll find enough inconsistencies to knock the foundation out from under the lies.
Proof reading is not a choice, it is a discipline. If your discipline is not up to shape you will post just about anything.

Second, why do you care so much about him to look into his past dealings, don't you have something better to do. I for one was a little annoyed that I waited over 24 hours for my ticket to be responded to at buyvm, yet here you were claiming to be at work posting away, instead of doing your job. Just my 2 cents, and a reason I'd rather pay Ryan, instead of you. 

Third, you are not as great as you claim to be throwing around your "I'm so awesome" routine. You remind me of a few other individuals, and if you are called out or pointed a finger at you pout like a big baby. Why don't you stop blowing smoke, and instead improve your own ass. I for one think you would have a great time building a really well built internal monitor to replace buyvmstatus. 

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Honestly though, I just want to say I love you @Francisco, you are a great guy, and do a great fucking job man.  Aldryic, not so much, you are mainly riding off of Francisco's own pure awesomeness and willingness to help. 
 
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Aldryic C'boas

The Pony
I for one was a little annoyed that I waited over 24 hours for my ticket to be responded to at buyvm, yet here you were claiming to be at work posting away, instead of doing your job. Just my 2 cents, and a reason I'd rather pay Ryan, instead of you.
Actually, I'm looking at your account now.  You had one ticket on file (716478) that you opened on January 18th at 16:05h PST.  Anthony responded to your ticket at 21:58h PST.  While I agree that an ~6 hour wait on a response for an issue that simple is unacceptable (a problem that we have taken great strides in the past 6 months to fixing), that's nowhere near "over 24 hours".

Why don't you stop blowing smoke, and instead improve your own ass. I for one think you would have a great time building a really well built internal monitor to replace buyvmstatus. 
BuyVMStatus was a client-made project, and forcibly discontinued due to it's unreliability.  It never was an 'official' part of the system, nor did we ever acknowledge as such it due to said inaccuracies.

Honestly though, I just want to say I love you @Francisco, you are a great guy, and do a great fucking job man.  Aldryic, not so much, you are mainly riding off of Francisco's own pure awesomeness and willingness to help. 
Everybody loves Fran.  I, meanwhile, am the designated hardass of the company - my strictness balances his generosity.  And just like I told mtwisatool awhile back - trying to 'call me out' on that is pretty damn pointless.  Calling me a asshole isn't an insult - it's simply the truth.

But, your personal issues aside, let's answer the bit of that rambling that was on topic:

Second, why do you care so much about him to look into his past dealings, don't you have something better to do.
My shift ended 'bout an hour ago, actually.  As far as 'why I care so much' - curiosity, mainly.  When I first noticed his irregular habit of forgetting to put on the 'pitiful mentally challenged kid' facade, it made me wonder if that was a recent thing (someone quietly giving him a hand, and maybe occasionally posting for him), or had been going on for some time.  Turns out, the latter held true - and that lead to a cursory examination of his other activities, to get a better idea for what was actually going on.  I realize you have an ingrained animosity towards me (still can't bring myself to shed a tear for you, sorry) - but you could fairly easily do the same research and see for yourself.
 
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lbft

New Member
Then there was weird shit going on in IRC banning the whole of Quadranet from vpsB IRC.

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If you are into banning users for non violations, have at it, I vote to be banned.   But I'll take my self imposed 2 week silence protest elsewhere.
Oh look, it's yet another fucking drmike tantrum.

Are you seriously complaining about:

  1. Banning someone who has repeatedly refused to follow the rules of the forum or the rules of civility, and who has filled the place up with not just shitposts but whole shitthreads?
  2. IRC, where you don't even participate because you're too scared to say what your nickname is there? Where the only subjects discussed most of the time are nonsense?
 

Munzy

Active Member
Actually, I'm looking at your account now.  You had one ticket on file (716478) that you opened on January 18th at 16:05h PST.  Anthony responded to your ticket at 21:58h PST.  While I agree that an ~6 hour wait on a response for an issue that simple is unacceptable (a problem that we have taken great strides in the past 6 months to fixing), that's nowhere near "over 24 hours".

BuyVMStatus was a client-made project, and forcibly discontinued due to it's unreliability.  It never was an 'official' part of the system, nor did we ever acknowledge as such it due to said inaccuracies.

Everybody loves Fran.  I, meanwhile, am the designated hardass of the company - my strictness balances his generosity.  And just like I told mtwisatool awhile back - trying to 'call me out' on that is pretty damn pointless.  Calling me a asshole isn't an insult - it's simply the truth.

But, your personal issues aside, let's answer the bit of that rambling that was on topic:

My shift ended 'bout an hour ago, actually.  As far as 'why I care so much' - curiosity, mainly.  When I first noticed his irregular habit of forgetting to put on the 'pitiful mentally challenged kid' facade, it made me wonder if that was a recent thing (someone quietly giving him a hand, and maybe occasionally posting for him), or had been going on for some time.  Turns out, the latter held true - and that lead to a cursory examination of his other activities, to get a better idea for what was actually going on.  I realize you have an ingrained animosity towards me (still can't bring myself to shed a tear for you, sorry) - but you could fairly easily do the same research and see for yourself.
I honestly don't remember it being 6 hours, maybe I just was really impatient.  All I know is I sure felt like that was slow for your service and standards.

Being an asshole to balance out someones generosity is no excuse. I tested that same idea on my gaming network, and what we as a whole proved was, ass holes don't counter balance kindness as they like to jump off the scale and watch you go flying as they laugh at your soon to be pain and anger. 

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In regards to mtwiscool, in him chatting with me about his post:

[6:39:33 PM] mtwiscool: why do people think i am a troll?


[6:40:34 PM] mtwiscool: from the thread:

[6:40:35 PM] mtwiscool: You do know he's just a remarkably persistant troll, right?  And that his 'forgot to pretend to be retarded' slipups here aren't the first time he's been called out on it?

[6:40:39 PM] mtwiscool: ok

[6:41:25 PM] mtwiscool: I never said i was retarded in fact i said i was smart and my spelling improves over time and that i post on multiple devices including phones and tablets.



I personally also hate his ineptitude about spelling and grammar, but that is because I don't want to have to read through all of it trying to figure out what he meant. 
 

Aldryic C'boas

The Pony
I honestly don't remember it being 6 hours, maybe I just was really impatient.  All I know is I sure felt like that was slow for your service and standards.
It was slow.  Like I said, a 6 hour response time is unacceptable, regardless of shift, and that's something we've been working rather hard to correct.

Being an asshole to balance out someones generosity is no excuse. I tested that same idea on my gaming network, and what we as a whole proved was, ass holes don't counter balance kindness as they like to jump off the scale and watch you go flying as they laugh at your soon to be pain and anger.
Ah, you misunderstand.  I'm not making excuses, or offering any sort of apology for my behavior - merely making it clear that yes I can be a dick, and no my motives are not malicious.  I simply speak my mind without sugar-coating everything.  If you wish to take offense to what I say, that's your preogative.

[6:41:25 PM] mtwiscool: I never said i was retarded in fact i said i was smart and my spelling improves over time and that i post on multiple devices including phones and tablets.
See, things like that are where I stop believing his stories.  Think about that for a minute - according to his own backstory, he's been a 'child of the state' for some time, living in a children's home.  Where exactly is he getting the funding for "multiple devices including phones and tablets"?  Very little of what he says adds up to truthful, or even plausible.  So anything from him that's not patently provable, I discount as another fabrication.

The spelling and grammar are only relevant due to their inconsistency.  His entire speech patterns change when he gets really frustrated - and that's the biggest giveaway.  There is no 'autocorrect' (or lack of) that completely changes your oratory flow.
 
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drmike

100% Tier-1 Gogent
Oh look, it's yet another fucking drmike tantrum.

Are you seriously complaining about:

  1. Banning someone who has repeatedly refused to follow the rules of the forum or the rules of civility, and who has filled the place up with not just shitposts but whole shitthreads?
  2. IRC, where you don't even participate because you're too scared to say what your nickname is there? Where the only subjects discussed most of the time are nonsense?
Congrats on replying.  Hoping more folks do, regardless of their stance.  I am not running a popularity contest, so I don't really give a flying .... how you feel about me @lbft.

1.  Where are these civility rules?   Lack of rules, now equals civility rules.  I mean I'd rather folks just say we banned @mtwiscool because we DON'T LIKE HIM.   Instead we are having a dog and pony dance competition about why he was banned, why the kid acts English challenged and if he knowingly has better or worse grammar based on which device he's chipping at... All while (validly) wondering if he's a ward of the State and if his stories are true or false about said personal family / living matters (which he himself has put out there over time).

This is while a moderator admitted when they approved the offer thread that mtwiscool was within the guidelines, but then banned.

And yes, @mtwiscool doesn't listen or seem to.  But I am not his parent nor are the rest of you.  Not grounds for a GTFO banning, just because. 

We start doing this sort of stuff where is the limit?   Is it next week we are handing out user IPs like the other site is known for?  Is it collaborating with cliques of folks to be subversive whenever and operate some bully mob?  The former is foremost concern and the later bowing to bully packs seems to be why this ban is being allowed:

"The ban was not carried out by any single individual's own desire and was only carried out after many requests for action to be taken"

I'd do the same pointing, fussing, tantrum for the autistic (seeming) lad or for anyone else here.  Fair is fair.

2. As for IRC,  whole bunch of people don't want IRC chatting seen out in the open. So BOO!   I fail to see much good or constructive anything from the IRC channel.  Thusly, I lurk and others copy me random shit-happenings from IRC. If that IRC channel is an indication of the audience and where this place is headed,  it isn't pretty.

I pointed out the IRC banning because the whole of Quadranet was blocked.  Pretty bold block unless there was some legitimate reason to be blocking such... Like say an attack.  I didn't see that sort of thing and others said something foul was going on, so there I went to posting, because fair is fair.

Now no one has to be fair.  We can call this place a private club, lock the doors, require credentials and do a whole lot more rough housing.  That's Mann's choice, this is his baby, not mine.
 
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HalfEatenPie

The Irrational One
Retired Staff
Ok so I made this huge thread about my issues with Matthew and thanks to butter fingers (page reload) I lost it all.  

 

So I’ll just give the general beef.

 

The IRC Ban

 

Lets start off with the statement that the IRC Channel #vpsboard on FreeNode is an unofficial channel.  Its basically the local bar some of the people in this community goes to after work to hang out.  It's the water cooler at work.  It's not everyone, and quite often majority of the people in that IRC Channel don't really post here.  With that said, the Matthew's ban on IRC was done several months ago (or at least I believe it was several months ago, time has gone so fast).  When he came into the IRC Channel every other sentence was about 32MB Club and what he just finished for it.  Hell it was constantly "We now have ____ at 32MB Club!" or some variation of that.  Even when I asked him to tone it down a bit he'd continue on.  It was simple disregard for admin request.  He then ended up pasting some file or something into IRC (which if you don't know, would send each line as it's own chat "line" and is commonly considered spamming).  Therefore, I removed him from the channel.  It was my decision to remove him from the IRC Channel (in addition to a few requests from individuals asking for him to be removed).  

 

For those of you who do not participate in our IRC Channel, 99% of it is us screwing around and joking around.  Business does happen on occassion, but majority of it is just horseplay.  Then Matthew comes in and tries to throw his 32MB Club banners around.  It's quite annoying.  The bar owner requests he please stop or at least tone it down.  Instead he disregards that and continues on.  But then he brings in a megaphone and shouts a long piece of text (the pasting).  He's therefore removed from the bar.  Similar idea.

 

The Forum Ban

 

Since Matthew was banned from LET, his involvement in this community was drastically improved.  The reason he was banned from LET was because he threatened Maarten Kossen on the internet or something.  I mean come on, threatening someone?  What situation calls for you to threaten another human being's life?  Regardless, the LET bags were left at the doors (I may or may not have annoyingly brought it up every once in a while to poke fun, but that was about it).  

 

So as Matthew's involvement in vpsBoard increased, so did the number of Admin Reports on his posts.  What's crazy is that it wasn't from a single person, or a small group of individual, but a decent chunk of individuals on this forum who were reporting him.  Sometimes, we even had four (or five?) people reporting the same content written by Matthew.  

 

When we approached Matthew to tone it down on the forum, he seemed to acknowledge it and follow it for a short period of time.  Then he'd be back doing the exact same thing again.  He's also constantly asked for individual inputs and the wealth of knowledge we have available here.  Then completely disregard it and go the opposite direction.  He informed me he looks up to Jon Ngyuen (don't remember the proper spelling of his last name... my bad... basically GVH_Jon) as a role model.  I mean, great for him for having a role model and someone to help him out, but it was going about it the wrong way.  

 

So the reports continued to grow and every time we would perform a admin action on his posts he would then contact another admin and complain.  Note (I'm sure Martin and MannDude both do this), whenever a post is removed I usually send a PM explaining why.  Then he assumes it's off of my own whim I was removing his posts.  There were several times when no moderator actions were done on his posts because it did not technically break the rules.  

 

It came to a point where Matthew ended up creating a new thread for every single change in his life and his "company".  Where he was going to live, his birthday, everything.  Now I'm not saying I'm against him being excited for changes in his life, but we received many complaints from Forum members informing us that vpsBoard is in fact... not his blog.  This came to a point where (I don't recall the exact link), I informed Matthew via a public forum post that his continued announcements of such frequency and manner would result in a ban from me under the rule "Do not spam".  Then it went into a PM discussion about how he thought I was constantly targetting him.  Yes he does bring the worst in me, yes he does annoy me terribly, but even with that set aside I've always tried to be as fair as I could within the vpsBoard Guidelines.  

 

Anyways, with a continued reports on his posts and people talking to us about his removal, we began discussing this option much more in-depth as the staff.  Under the guidelines, I would say his actual ban was over breaking "Do not spam" and him disregarding the requests of moderators and admins (in addition to being respectful to others input... which I would say if he asked for it and he got it, then at least provide reasons as to why he didn't follow ANY of it... and then you know... maybe stop asking).  

 

Again, with the increased reports and posts such as "Are the mods protecting mtwiscool" and "What the hell are you guys even doing letting this guy stay?", I requested a "suspension of normal procedures" (parliamentary procedure (Robert's Rule of Order) anyone?) to address the situation with Matthew. 

 

The topic continued to be discussed and in the end we came to an unanimous decision to remove him.  

 

I will do what I can in my capacity to understand and address everyone's concerns.  This decision was not done lightly, and I hope my explaination of the situation helps point a picture from our perspective.  It's not a clean fix, but our understanding and prediction was that even if he was removed from posting any offers, he would someone try and find a way to incorporate everything into his direction.  Reader protection was in mind (people were assuming we're safe-harboring him) and community concerns were in mind.  This was not executed in a malicious intent.  

 

Again, please contact me if you have any concerns.  

 

Summary

 

All in all, I'd like to bring this back up.  

 

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