I figured I'd start a new thread so the thread regarding the United State's decision to allow gay marriages can proceed without being sidetracked by the discussion of the Confederate flag.
As most of you are aware, regardless where you're located in the world, one white individual entered a church filled with black people and opened fire, killing 9 people last week.
In his manifesto he claims he was motivated by the largely under reported black on white crime statistics in which a small portion of the population attribute to the majority of crime and murder and stated his interest in such grew after the Trayvon Martin case where a "white-hispanic" man shot and killed Trayvon Martin, a black teenager, in self defense. His manifesto in full can be read here for those interested: http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt
So, what does this have to do with the confederate battle flag? Well, Dylann Roof was a racist adult who had photos of himself posing with the flag. As such the flag is now apparently equated to him and/or racism.
Keep in mind that this same flag flew over the state capitol building in South Carolina for years. It's literally a part of Mississippi's state flag. The flag can be seen everywhere, in the windows of college student's houses, to the back of trucks, to state issued licenses plates, to t-shirts, belt-buckles, anything and everything... the flag is there. But, this is changing.
eBay, Etsy, Wal-Mart, Amazon, Google and others have banned the sale of the flag claiming it's due to their policy of not promoting 'hate' or 'racism'. (Yet you can still buy Che Guevara t-shirts, Nazi memorabilia and replicas, etc) And now they are coming after southern monuments and statues that stand to honor the men and women, both white and black, who died during the American civil war. Southerns are proud, deep rooted people and the flag they display proudly represents that.
I'm from the north, you don't see the flag often up here, but you do occasionally. When I see someone rocking the flag I don't think they're a racist. I just think they're probably a good ol' country boy. If my car gets stuck in the ditch in the winter time due to the snow. I can go knock on their door and they'll probably be able to help pull me out. I never really equated the flag with racism even though I am aware of the American civil war.
So, anyhow, now they're calling for the flag to be removed. Monuments to be removed. The TV show, "The Dukes of Hazard" are having their merchandise pulled and the media seems to be doing a great job at poking a sleeping bear that is the American south.
Here's the thing though: Most flags are earned in ways that may make us look back and think it wasn't such a good thing. America is a young country, we came in and with brutal force wiped and relocated native people from their land. We fought wars, utilized slavery in the American south and later cheap / almost-slave-labor work from immigrants to build our railroads and early infrastructure. The entire country, black and white benefited from the exploit of our ancestors to rise to a world power in such a short time. So, by the logic of liberals, the NAACP, The Black Panthers, and white college liberal art majors who tweet to corporations in the name of 'justice'... will the American flag see the same fate? Of course not.
I don't see what the big damn deal is about the flag. I have no idea why it's been banned from sale from so many places. I do not see what the destruction and vandalism of statues and monuments honoring the dead do. The Vietnam war was brutal, would these people stoop so low as to go destroy war memorials in Washington DC? Where do you draw the line? These are people who fought and died for this country regardless if you believe in their cause, and they should be left alone.
ALSO:
L-O-fucking-L
As most of you are aware, regardless where you're located in the world, one white individual entered a church filled with black people and opened fire, killing 9 people last week.
In his manifesto he claims he was motivated by the largely under reported black on white crime statistics in which a small portion of the population attribute to the majority of crime and murder and stated his interest in such grew after the Trayvon Martin case where a "white-hispanic" man shot and killed Trayvon Martin, a black teenager, in self defense. His manifesto in full can be read here for those interested: http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt
So, what does this have to do with the confederate battle flag? Well, Dylann Roof was a racist adult who had photos of himself posing with the flag. As such the flag is now apparently equated to him and/or racism.
Keep in mind that this same flag flew over the state capitol building in South Carolina for years. It's literally a part of Mississippi's state flag. The flag can be seen everywhere, in the windows of college student's houses, to the back of trucks, to state issued licenses plates, to t-shirts, belt-buckles, anything and everything... the flag is there. But, this is changing.
eBay, Etsy, Wal-Mart, Amazon, Google and others have banned the sale of the flag claiming it's due to their policy of not promoting 'hate' or 'racism'. (Yet you can still buy Che Guevara t-shirts, Nazi memorabilia and replicas, etc) And now they are coming after southern monuments and statues that stand to honor the men and women, both white and black, who died during the American civil war. Southerns are proud, deep rooted people and the flag they display proudly represents that.
I'm from the north, you don't see the flag often up here, but you do occasionally. When I see someone rocking the flag I don't think they're a racist. I just think they're probably a good ol' country boy. If my car gets stuck in the ditch in the winter time due to the snow. I can go knock on their door and they'll probably be able to help pull me out. I never really equated the flag with racism even though I am aware of the American civil war.
So, anyhow, now they're calling for the flag to be removed. Monuments to be removed. The TV show, "The Dukes of Hazard" are having their merchandise pulled and the media seems to be doing a great job at poking a sleeping bear that is the American south.
Here's the thing though: Most flags are earned in ways that may make us look back and think it wasn't such a good thing. America is a young country, we came in and with brutal force wiped and relocated native people from their land. We fought wars, utilized slavery in the American south and later cheap / almost-slave-labor work from immigrants to build our railroads and early infrastructure. The entire country, black and white benefited from the exploit of our ancestors to rise to a world power in such a short time. So, by the logic of liberals, the NAACP, The Black Panthers, and white college liberal art majors who tweet to corporations in the name of 'justice'... will the American flag see the same fate? Of course not.
I don't see what the big damn deal is about the flag. I have no idea why it's been banned from sale from so many places. I do not see what the destruction and vandalism of statues and monuments honoring the dead do. The Vietnam war was brutal, would these people stoop so low as to go destroy war memorials in Washington DC? Where do you draw the line? These are people who fought and died for this country regardless if you believe in their cause, and they should be left alone.
ALSO:
L-O-fucking-L
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