Cloud VPS is really cloud?

Discussion in 'Operating a Hosting Business' started by kunnu, Jun 30, 2015.

  1. kunnu

    kunnu Active Member Verified Provider

    Apr 29, 2013

    I see lot of offers and I find many cloud vps providers who even sell cloud vps under $3/m which is really cheal.

    If you want to provide cloud vps then I think your services must run on different different server but how you call a cloud VPS  if everything run only on single server?

  2. KuJoe

    KuJoe Well-Known Member Verified Provider

    May 17, 2013
    "The cloud" is a marketing term. Don't try to label your services as a cloud just for the sake of labeling, define what your cloud is. Anybody in IT or who has a remote clue about infrastructure will see the word "cloud" and will require some cold hard facts about that service regardless what you label it. I give away "the cloud" for free all day long and it doesn't cost me much to do it. :)
  3. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

    May 13, 2013
    Cloud is entirely BS in most of the VPS market.

    This includes in big shops like DigitalOcean.  

    Words have meaning and standards to such in computing.  Sure loose definitions and adherence to meanings.  Doesn't excuse the fraud of folks though.

    Real clouds cost a good bit of cash.  Offering them for $7/mo would mean financial ruin.  Someone will show me a company doing it I suppose.
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  4. Criot

    Criot Member Verified Provider

    Jan 10, 2015
    I would see a 'real cloud' as a service with high availability, there are plenty of providers who market cloud platforms because they offer cloud features, but they don't offer the high availability.

    If you're looking for a redundant cloud, then the customer should expect to pay more than a few dollars a month.
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  5. MannDude

    MannDude Just a dude vpsBoard Founder Moderator

    Mar 8, 2013
    There is no real definition of what "cloud" is and what it is not.

    As others have said, it is mostly a marketing term. The cloud hosting you could expect from Amazon is not the cloud hosting you will receive from some random WHT offer for $3/mo.
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    GIANT_CRAB New Member

    May 21, 2013
    If it's floating, it must be the cloud.
  7. sleddog

    sleddog New Member

    May 16, 2013
    The definition of "cloud" is nebulous :)
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  8. Hxxx

    Hxxx Active Member

    Dec 20, 2013
    There is diff specs for what could be considered cloud.

    Then there is the fake cloud of course.

    Some companies assume that if its flexible is cloud, apparently. But well, there is not much to be expected from the marketing department :)
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  9. trueman1

    trueman1 New Member Verified Provider

    May 22, 2013
    clouds for me is more like high availability in case that hardware failed, but the problem that you can't check it.

    everyone can sale vps and call it cloud.
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  10. telephone

    telephone New Member

    May 16, 2013
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  11. Husky

    Husky Verified Dog Verified Provider

    Sep 26, 2014
    Clouds are a stupid place to put computers... They rain and shit!
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  12. lbft

    lbft New Member

    May 15, 2013
    The only true compute cloud is a Raspberry Pi tied to a helium balloon.

    Seriously though, there are multiple competing definitions of "cloud", and then a whole lot of marketing intentionally muddying the waters. Is it hourly billing, or Software as a Service, or utility computing, or on-demand scaling of resources, or geographic distribution, or physical node redundancy, or geographic redundancy, or redundant storage, or what? Plenty of the time it's a combination and plenty of the time it's none of the above.

    Given how confusing the term is and how much it excites customers, is it any wonder companies will use the word whenever virtualisation is involved?
  13. Clouvider-Dom

    Clouvider-Dom Member Verified Provider

    Aug 12, 2014
    That depends. Guys like Amazon and Digital Ocean call their services a cloud while using a single hypervisor with a local storage, so you really have to explain how your infrastructure works to the Customer, especially mentioning all HA features.
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  14. perennate

    perennate New Member Verified Provider

    May 15, 2013
    Amazon has EBS.
  15. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

    May 13, 2013
    Dishonest companies could run Celeron CPUs and mask things and claim Intel processor schtick too.

    It's routine that these shops when called out on their fake clouds and properly cornered go to blaming marketing and other folks they believe are inept.  But typically that stuff is only polished by those folks.  The crap and distortion start with the dishonest manager/owner of such a shop.

    Most customers haven't a clue what cloud means.

    I could claim my new hosting company runs on a super computer since by all definitions modern computers perform like super computers to normal folks and versus recent history.

    It is sad the levels of bullshit unscrupulous companies will toss on a customer.

    I am just glad these people are quarantined in hosting and not running a restaurant or transportation company or 50 other things where they'd inflect  massive human damage.
  16. Licensecart

    Licensecart Active Member

    May 22, 2013
    This there are some companies which are "Cloud" who have a High Availability cluster, so if one server goes down, another one kicks into place. That's what "Cloud" was supposed to be :)
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  17. HN-Matt

    HN-Matt New Member Verified Provider

    Dec 19, 2013
    Guaranteed data leakage.
  18. DomainBop

    DomainBop Dormant VPSB Pathogen

    Oct 11, 2013's HA platform (with data redundancy over 3 Amsterdam DC's connected by their own fiber ring) uses OpenStack and they have ISO 27001, Nen 7510, and CloudControls certifications.  You were asking about the provider CloudVPS, right? :p
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  19. Hxxx

    Hxxx Active Member

    Dec 20, 2013
    There are some shops that are really close to what a cloud should be:

    1- Essentially is all about redundancy

    2- and location independent.

    If the node crash and the vm continue running without downtime, that is well.. cloud...

    If a tsunami hit the DC and the vm continue running from another location without downtime ,, that is .. well.. that cant be more cloud :p

    But real "cloud" if that even exist, we could say extreme redundancy" , doesn't cost 10 dollars per GB RAM and not 20, or 30. It really cost a lot.

    Just a thought...
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  20. Clouvider-Dom

    Clouvider-Dom Member Verified Provider

    Aug 12, 2014
    Why is that ?