Dedicated server for 3 €

Epidrive

New Member
Verified Provider
There are pros and cons but i would still recommend going with a vps.


The good thing about the ks 2g is the resources are dedicated to you, but that's pretty much about it. IP's are very limited (afaik only one ip per ks 2g), fixed resources, the OVH *cough* support (you know it), their new strict aup and bandwidth policy (i call that jailed). How can you even host something decent on an atom processor...


VPS's on the other hand will have more benefits imho, now this depends on the provider but for almost the same price or even cheaper, you can get a RAID-10 storage, 1Gbit connection, reliable support, e3/e5 nodes, much less restrictions with AUP/TOS, and no problems with new IP's just provide justification. You want guaranteed resources then go with a provider you can trust or kvm/xen virtualization, need something even cheaper then go with openvz. Not to mention VPS's are upgradable...
 
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mtwiscool

New Member
There are pros and cons but i would still recommend going with a vps.


The good thing about the ks 2g is the resources are dedicated to you, but that's pretty much about it. IP's are very limited (afaik only one ip per ks 2g), fixed resources, the OVH *cough* support (you know it), their new strict aup and bandwidth policy (i call that jailed). How can you even host something decent on an atom processor...


VPS's on the other hand will have more benefits imho, now this depends on the provider but for almost the same price or even cheaper, you can get a RAID-10 storage, 1Gbit connection, reliable support, e3/e5 nodes, much less restrictions with AUP/TOS, and no problems with new IP's just provide justification. You want guaranteed resources then go with a provider you can trust or kvm/xen virtualization, need something even cheaper then go with openvz. Not to mention VPS's are upgradable...
your a paid vps host so shut up becuase you are trying to diss the bigger compney .
 

D. Strout

Resident IPv6 Proponent
You're a paid VPS host, so shut up because you are trying to diss the bigger company .
Disagree. @ is completely right. Other than dedicated resources, there is nothing to commend these servers to anyone. I can get better resources with a VPS any day of the week, which I why I'm not getting one of these. And I'm not a VPS provider.
 
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D. Strout

Resident IPv6 Proponent
Point me to a 500GB of HDD for 3 eur/m vps!
Granted the disk space is good, but as mentioned there is no RAID, and also as mentioned there's a good chance these HDDs aren't new. OVH has probably already gotten their ROI on them, and now they're selling them again with a higher potential for failure. If you don't mind backing up 500GB of data every couple days, good for you. What's that you say? You're not using all 500GB? Then what does the disk space count for for you? Hmmm? And anyway, there is Backupsy. Specs probably come out to about the same, since you can't use too much CPU with those, but I'd rely on them more and you can't put a price on that. Unless that price is an extra $4/mo, which is what it comes out to.
 

rm_

New Member
Granted the disk space is good, but as mentioned there is no RAID
So point me to a 500 GB VPS for 3 EUR with no RAID then. Still can't?

and also as mentioned there's a good chance these HDDs aren't new.
Feedback from people who already got their servers delivered shows everyone is getting brand new 300-600 hours uptime HDDs on this offer. No need to make up dirty stuff when you don't have other arguments.
 
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manacit

New Member
Granted the disk space is good, but as mentioned there is no RAID, and also as mentioned there's a good chance these HDDs aren't new. OVH has probably already gotten their ROI on them, and now they're selling them again with a higher potential for failure. If you don't mind backing up 500GB of data every couple days, good for you. What's that you say? You're not using all 500GB? Then what does the disk space count for for you? Hmmm? And anyway, there is Backupsy. Specs probably come out to about the same, since you can't use too much CPU with those, but I'd rely on them more and you can't put a price on that. Unless that price is an extra $4/mo, which is what it comes out to.
Let's get some things straight:

  • RAID is not a backup: It doesn't prevent against an `rm` or FS corruption. RAID cards can break, causing massive data loss, etc. 
  • There aren't even any non-raid VPSes at this price. 
  • You say there's a "good chance" the drives aren't new. Think again. Mine's been on for ~two weeks, which is good practice to make sure they won't fail (majority of drive failures happen in the beginning). These things even have a 99.9% uptime SLA!
Code:
 smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Power
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       347
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       12
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       2
  • Why are you telling me how I'm using my resources like it's a point in your argument? It's cute. I'll be using mine to do versioned backups much like Apple's Time Machine, when the 500GB drive gets full, it'll just toss out the oldest backups and keep on going. I implore you to shut up and calm down, it's unbecoming to sit here and make these baseless arguments. 
  • Once you pay the fee to use your backupsy for anything, it's a bit more than $4, and you don't get as much memory or unmetered bandwidth, for what it's worth. You do get a gigabit port and much better I/O performance from the SAN, though. 
 
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concerto49

New Member
Verified Provider
Let's get some things straight:

  • RAID is not a backup: It doesn't prevent against an `rm` or FS corruption. RAID cards can break, causing massive data loss, etc. 
  • There aren't even any non-raid VPSes at this price. 
  • You say there's a "good chance" the drives aren't new. Think again. Mine's been on for ~two weeks, which is good practice to make sure they won't fail (majority of drive failures happen in the beginning). These things even have a 99.9% uptime SLA!

smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Power
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 347
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 12
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2
  • Why are you telling me how I'm using my resources like it's a point in your argument? It's cute. I'll be using mine to do versioned backups much like Apple's Time Machine, when the 500GB drive gets full, it'll just toss out the oldest backups and keep on going. I implore you to shut up and calm down, it's unbecoming to sit here and make these baseless arguments. 
  • Once you pay the fee to use your backupsy for anything, it's a bit more than $4, and you don't get as much memory or unmetered bandwidth, for what it's worth. You do get a gigabit port and much better I/O performance from the SAN, though. 
What has 99.9% uptime SLA? The Kimsufi? Isn't it best effort as per their website?

You need to pay extra to use Backupsy? Even for what you're doing like Time Machine?
 

manacit

New Member
Nah you don't need to pay extra for time machine, but I'll likely toss a gitlab install up there as well, which isn't covered.



I see 99.9%
 

BlackoutIsHere

New Member
Verified Provider
OVH has an amazingly massive infrastructure in place that allows them to do 100M unmetered at such a low price. Show me any VPS provider that can compete with that. They can't. VPSes are better a lot of the time but these uber cheap dedis have some good uses as well.
 

blergh

New Member
Verified Provider
The problem is with current customers, I've paid my Kimsufi until  2013-10-19 and just asked if i can get the pricing adjusted, seems like i have to re-order. This is fucked up, cunts :(
 

wlanboy

Content Contributer
There are pros and cons but i would still recommend going with a vps. The good thing about the ks 2g is the resources are dedicated to you, but that's pretty much about it. IP's are very limited (afaik only one ip per ks 2g), fixed resources, the OVH *cough* support (you know it), their new strict aup and bandwidth policy (i call that jailed). How can you even host something decent on an atom processor...
I have to disagree to some of your arguments.

Yep you're right a vps is easier to handle. Write a ticket and let someone else care about any hardware problems.

And please stop laughing about Atoms. I am hosting a whole LAMP stack on a Raspberry Pi. So a dual core HT-enabled Atom will be enough for everyone. And if I have to choose between one virtual 3.2 Ghz core and two real dedicated 1.6 Ghz cores able to run 4 threads at the same time ...

It would be ok if I could really use that one virtual core. But there are quite strict rules about CPU usage.

But I don't want to care about the hardware. And my vps servers are fast enough. If there were no SSD or SSD-cached vps my decision would be differnt. And a missing RAID does not bother me. We all use them for speed and not for security. If you need security you will buy a decent raid card and even more important no no-name disks.

It is still tempting. You can burn the cpu and disk to death. Not talking about 2 GB RAM and a unmetered 100 MBit port.
 

Lee

Retired Staff
Verified Provider
Retired Staff
So point me to a 500 GB VPS for 3 EUR with no RAID then. Still can't?


Feedback from people who already got their servers delivered shows everyone is getting brand new 300-600 hours uptime HDDs on this offer. No need to make up dirty stuff when you don't have other arguments.
I have had 2 delivered, one has 3 hours on the drive, the other 219.
 

D. Strout

Resident IPv6 Proponent
To all the people who posted responses to my little rant, here you go: you're right. If nothing else, the disk space does make this tempting. Then when you consider the dedicated resources, this will be extremely attractive to many. I'm not among them, but if you are, have at it. All good y'all? :)
 

ChrisM

Cocktail Enthusiast
Verified Provider
Ordered one... Then after several hours of drinking I ordered 4 more.. I got it in before the limit message appeared so maybe I will get all 5 or maybe none. Idk.
 
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