DigitalOcean vs Vultr - The Asian Face-off

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  1. HalfEatenPie

    HalfEatenPie The Irrational One Retired Staff

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    Howdy everyone!  

    So I decided to spin up an instance of DigitalOcean Singapore and Vultr Japan to see which one truly kicks more butt for Asia! (Or in my case... for me).  This may look like a review, but its not meant to be a review (probably because I just got this and believe a true review would require a few months of usage and interaction with the support staff).  

    Let's get this rolling!  

    DigitalOcean - Singapore

    DigitalOcean Singapore is located in Equinix's Singapore facility (or so as their blog post states here), but it seems they're not using Equinix's network blend there because it's incredibly lacking.  Either way, network to me (Korea) from their Singapore Datacenter is around 120ms during peak hours and 100ms during regular hours.  

    Here's the serverbear benchmark: http://serverbear.com/benchmark/2014/03/06/l112zUCMCPYolGFU

    Vultr - Japan

    Vultr's backed by Choopa and is in their Tokyo Datacenter location (didn't really try to look for specific information behind it).  I'm not too sure specifically what their network blend is nor did I really spend the time to look it up further than a simple bgp lookup.  For my uses (to Korea), I think they just plain screwed up the routing because my traces goes from Korea to Los Angeles (Level3) then Los Angeles (NTT) to Tokyo.  

    Here's the serverbear benchmark: http://serverbear.com/benchmark/2014/03/06/9vEoPjgVAg1OOokC (Ignore how it says DigitalOcean, I entered Vultr but it just didn't seem to accept it and think it was DigitalOcean)

    Comparison

    Hardware

    They're all 1 CPU with 40GB HDD, but the CPU for Vultr seems to be better as it received higher unixbench ratings and was also clocked at 3.4 GHz (in comparison to DigitalOcean's 2.0GHz CPU).  

    IO Vultr is better but my assumption is that I'm on an unpopulated Vultr server in comparison to DO's already-filled/full server.  Regardless, not a big issue at the moment because I have way more than I'll ever need for both companies.

    Network

    Now... this is where it bothers me.  Vultr should technically have better network to me because it's RIGHT THERE next to me.  Unfortunately, Vultr has the worst network to me.  DigitalOcean and Vultr though seems to have a decent connection in the country they're located in, and their network internationally seems to be a big "Ehhhhhhhh".  Vultr does have a faster route to Cachefly than DigitalOcean though.

    Conclusion

    This isn't supposed to be a review, it was supposed to be a simple comparison and presentation of information (especially since I just got this and I immediately ran this test).  DO seems to have a better network for my uses but Vultr seems to have better hardware (or at least better per VM).  

    So here's the discussion part, does anyone see Vultr beating DO?  Anyone see it as a good alternative for Asia in general?
     
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  2. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

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    Interesting comparison outside of the US.  Thanks for it.

    Care to post some traceroutes to common Asian locations from each?  So we can see wonky routing and where each maybe excels and fails?
     
  3. tchen

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    Just curious if you've submitted a ticket to them (Vultr) with the traceroute and their response.
     
  4. Mun

    Mun Never Forget

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    Drmike, I think there is some network issues with Vultr, they might use CC for there hosting. You should look into it.

    Nods assuredly

    (I'm not fibbing man)
     
  5. HalfEatenPie

    HalfEatenPie The Irrational One Retired Staff

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    Sure.

    There's multiple IPs I operate out of, but the main IP I use peers with these ISPs: 

    http://bgp.he.net/AS9318 

    http://bgp.he.net/AS9270 

    http://bgp.he.net/AS1237

    http://bgp.he.net/AS3786

    http://bgp.he.net/AS4766

    There's this one thing that's been annoying the living crap out of me.

    [email protected] LA During Low Network

    http://paste.ee/p/THPgY 

    Quadranet LA During Low Network

    http://paste.ee/p/BbTIy

    If you look at those results, you'd think [email protected] is perfect for my use (and it is during the right times), but during peak network usage (aka evenings) the network is incredibly congested to [email protected] that my ping to [email protected] is usually around 300+ms while Quadranet remains more consistent with 150ms.  My previous tests shows that Quadranet utilizing PCCW as one of their upstream providers really helps relieve network congestion from Asia.  

    Of course HE Fremont location is around 150ms as well even during peak network hours.  [email protected] is great for the US and the general west-coast, but is pretty unreliable for the rest of Asia (at least for Korea).  

    I'll try to get some tests during high-network times but don't count on it.  Been pretty busy over here.  
     
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  6. HalfEatenPie

    HalfEatenPie The Irrational One Retired Staff

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    I probably should.

    I'll get right on it right now.  Thanks for reminding me.  

    Edit: And email sent to my go-to  support guy (If anyone knows, Mike from Vultr has been an incredibly helpful person)
     
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  7. DomainBop

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    There is unlikely to be any one size fits all "good alternative for Asia in general" in the near future.  In Asia (and South America and Africa) you need to find a good alternative for "country x" (and in many cases for "city y") because the infrastructure/routing/greedy transit providers/etc currently make it impossible for any provider to create a single location good alternative for the entire continent. 

    tl;dr You'll need more than one location if you're trying to target multiple countries in Asia.

    Earlier this week DO had a couple of days network problems in Singapore that made their nodes unreachable at times (DDoS followed by network congestion at their upstream provider).  DO's network (both in terms of routing and reliability) has always been one of their weak spots in all of their locations so I think I'll give the nod to Vultr for better overall network.
     
  8. Wintereise

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    >   I'm not too sure specifically what their network blend is nor did I really spend the time to look it up further than a simple bgp lookup.

    It's mostly LLNW, small amounts of direct NTT (Not very often used), and some very small amount of the Japanese Equinix blend (ODN / KDDI / IIJ / NTT in that along with JPIX.)
     
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  9. HalfEatenPie

    HalfEatenPie The Irrational One Retired Staff

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    I'll add a clarification to my statement there. 


    I am well aware of the network situation in Asia (seeming as I'm currently one of the individuals who are experiencing it...).  I guess my specific statement was mostly focused on "is this a good location for Japan, China, Korea, Taiwan, and parts of the South-East Asia countries?"  Overall, it was a general statement on which of the two is preferred for usage in Asia (again, generally speaking) (a comparison you might add).


    Yes there are incredible restrictions behind it (e.g. The great Firewall of China) and political tensions in addition to physical limitations (the way they set the cables and whatnot).  


    Overall, the internet situation sucks in Asia.  Living in the States for so long and using Asian internet, I can definitely say I miss the internet back in the states (even if Comcast sucked major weiners, at least Comcast didn't charge international bandwidth usage/fees, which by the way are almost double if not ten times as much as domestic bandwidth costs).

    Well, first we have yet to test the actual network in terms of it's capacity and the limitations of it (so while I agree with you in a few spots I disagree with that statement).  I guess my opinion of their network was one of those "first glances".  

    Either way, I'm kinda interested in the way it'll mature.  
     
  10. GIANT_CRAB

    GIANT_CRAB New Member

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    Both call themselves Cloud service when they aren't.
     
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  11. Echelon

    Echelon New Member Verified Provider

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    Some benefit I can definitely see between Japan/Vultr and Singapore/DO would be applicable laws. IP protection is quite heavy handed in Japan by far.
     
  12. HalfEatenPie

    HalfEatenPie The Irrational One Retired Staff

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    Update:

    So, I contacted Vultr about the issues in related to the routing.  I received a simple "Thanks for letting us know, I'll forward this to the networking team".  

    At my work-location it still routes to the US then back to Japan, but from my home now it routes straight to Japan (with 40ms latency!)!  Not bad really!  

    It seems everything's evening out a bit now, just wish my work latency didn't suck haha.  It was a rocky start, but not bad.  
     
  13. adilimran

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    I heard about this review from my friends.. From my perspective Digital Ocean is old hosting provider and they should upgrade their constraints so that their performance goes better. Other thing about the Digital Ocean that they are reliable with good support. 

    On the other hand Vultr i don't know about it because i don't have any services from them, but trusting on some one new is hard for me.

    Thanks.
     
  14. sv01

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    cat wait that IPv6 ;) in SG location
     
  15. fm7

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    It seems the route is no longer that bad, at least from Tokyo's Vultr:

     2  unknown.servercentral.net (50.31.249.201)  1.341 ms  1.417 ms  1.423 ms


     3  72.ae1.cr2.tko1.jp.scnet.net (50.31.249.197)  0.282 ms

         71.ae1.cr1.tko1.jp.scnet.net (50.31.249.109)  0.270 ms

         72.ae1.cr2.tko1.jp.scnet.net (50.31.249.197)  0.387 ms


     4  SRV-0001.asianetcom.net (203.192.150.81)  1.065 ms  1.065 ms  23.859 ms


     5  SRV-0001.asianetcom.net (203.192.150.81)  1.097 ms  23.863 ms  23.860 ms


     6  gi2-0-0.cr2.nrt1.asianetcom.net (202.147.0.68)  1.381 ms

         gi12-0-0.gw4.sel2.asianetcom.net (202.147.8.120)  36.209 ms  36.214 ms


     7  * * *


     8  * * *


     9  58.229.12.229 (58.229.12.229)  40.170 ms * *


    10  1.255.23.14 (1.255.23.14)  45.171 ms

          118.221.4.149 (118.221.4.149)  40.768 ms

          58.229.9.218 (58.229.9.218)  43.190 ms


    11  1.255.23.14 (1.255.23.14)  45.176 ms  45.176 ms  45.175 ms


    12  116.121.204.150 (116.121.204.150)  45.573 ms

          116.121.204.158 (116.121.204.158)  45.546 ms  45.523 ms


    13  211.108.22.106 (211.108.22.106)  40.780 ms  40.121 ms

          147.46.254.187 (147.46.254.187)  41.298 ms


    14  147.46.254.187 (147.46.254.187)  41.217 ms  41.394 ms

          147.46.2.34 (147.46.2.34)  34.745 ms

    Just-Ping KR -> Vultr Tokyo is in the same RTT range.

    It would be interesting to see an updated KR -> JP (Vultr) traceroute.
     
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  16. Kayaba Akihiko

    Kayaba Akihiko New Member

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    Thanks for the "not review".

    Though I personally will choose DO just because I live in Singapore but meh.

    Sucks that my ISP doesn't support IPv6(Singnet/Singtel)
     
  17. HalfEatenPie

    HalfEatenPie The Irrational One Retired Staff

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    Haha well it's mostly just for the available data starting off ;)

    Choosing DO Singapore because it's closer/better for you is definitely reasonable! Personally for me it was way too much trouble to go through, especially since the network goes to Japan anyways before heading down South.

    Haha yeah I guess I haven't updated this in a while. After talking with Vultr staff for a bit and waiting about a week or so I found the routing to Japan much more reasonable. Now it's directly from Korea to Japan (I don't have traces available at the moment because I'm currently in the United States) and is averaging around 30/40 ms or so! Since the writing of this post I have dropped DigitalOcean completely and have simply gone with Vultr. Now I'm not saying DigitalOcean is bad, I'm simply stating that for my needs DigitalOcean lacked the network I needed for my own uses.