GreenValueHost / GVH and HostNun banned for operating shill ring

[MannDude]

Looks like @GVH-Jon (GreenValueHost.com) and his employees, who was banned here some time ago and @HN-Matt (HostNun.net )have been perma banned from LET for operating some sort of shill ring and are no longer allowed to post offers.

Since it's hidden behind a login wall and in a thread most of you likely don't read, the details are shown here:



Source: http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/745173/#Comment_745173



Source: http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/745235/#Comment_745235



Source: http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/745253/#Comment_745253

For the HostNun issue, I do not believe a login is required so this should be visible in this thread here: http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/744553/#Comment_744553

Well, how about that? We all knew Jonny lacked proper business ethics by his past actions, but you also can't expect a teenager to be a shining example of rational thought. I want to say kuddos to @mpkossen for taking a stand and I hope that big Jon (Biloh) doesn't run to the aid of little Jon (Nguyen) for the sake of Ernie. When GVH-Jon is on WebHostingTalk, spouting about being a 'Exclusive Colocrossing reseller', it's another item in a list that reflects poorly on Colocrossing. Hopefully Jon Biloh will keep this guy banned.

EDIT: Comically, about a year ago there was a HostNun / GreenValueHost thread on here: 

 

[Francisco]

Getting banned on home field is pretty rough but I think if the ban sticks (and doesn't get overruled or turned into a 'timeout') that you'll suddenly see a wave of 'how is GVH?' threads on WHT.

Then again, if the mods over there catch wind they may lay down the law. I can't see them being overly happy having to deal with the mountain of crap that comes with every GVH thread that gets posted over there.

What does GVH do if he gets banned off his 2 biggest/only markets?

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - GVH MERGES WITH NWNX?

Francisco

 

[MannDude]

What does GVH do if he gets banned off his 2 biggest/only markets?


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - GVH MERGES WITH NWNX?

This. Well, HudsonValleyHost / ColoCrossing more likely.

 

[drmike]

Ouch.

I give @mpkossen some credit for strapping on his boots this fine Monday.

This situation was inevitable and overdue.   Needless to say it is NOT original in CC-land nor in their sub companies where revolving doors of "consultants" spin freely and all sorts of overlap of people from one "company" to another.

I don't visit LET much since half of the site seems to be hidden in Off Topic and requires a login.

Is the premise here that this mysterious Amy character that keeps getting chatted up in GVH world =  Gallaeaho = HostNun?

Did Kossen nab them sharing a home IP address again?

 

[drmike]

This. Well, HudsonValleyHost / ColoCrossing more likely.

I am pretty sure HudsonValleyHost wants NOTHING to do with any such deal and babysitting the GVH empire.

It is no secret that Ernie avoids public brew-hahas and the limelight.   Touching GVH intimately like that would be way more BS than any real business person would want to assume.

 

[Francisco]

This. Well, HudsonValleyHost / ColoCrossing more likely.

I don't see the ban holding much water.

GVH-Jon claims he's 100% innocent and is the victim in this one. Supposedly this is all related to some IP's being

either extremely close or matching between members of the community.

If that's 100% true, Colocrossing's in a bit of a pickle to say the least. While they could overrule the ban, i'm fairly sure mpkossen is supposed to be Judge Dredd (I AM THE LAW!!) when it comes to anything related to LE. Do they allow GVH, a fairly toxic brand, back on the forums and likely hurt their relationship with a very loyal worker? Or do they just take the financial hit with GVH not being able to post there to let @mpkossen do what he feels is needed to cleanse the community?

I dunno, it's a tough one and I kinda feel bad for Biloh/Alex as they're stuck in the thick of it.

Francisco

 

[MannDude]

GVH-Jon claims he's 100% innocent and is the victim in this one. Supposedly this is all related to some IP's being


either extremely close or matching between members of the community.

Doesn't Jon Nguyen have a history of making that claim? Remember when he 'stepped down', and that new employee appeared on LET... only to later find they had the same IP address thanks to the honesty of Mpkossen who pointed it out? After some lying and digging a deeper hole, it was later revealed that the 'new person' was simply an alias of an existing one.

The lowend does have some great hosts who are doing things right, operate ethically and provide solid services. It's just hosts like this who run around and dirty up the industry and make it laughable to the rest of the VPS market that is doing it the most harm. The good lowend hosts should be happy of this news as it makes it less embarrassing to associate yourself with the lowend side of things when hosts like GVH are put in their place.

 

[Francisco]

Doesn't Jon Nguyen have a history of making that claim? Remember when he 'stepped down', and that new employee appeared on LET... only to later find they had the same IP address thanks to the honesty of Mpkossen who pointed it out? After some lying and digging a deeper hole, it was later revealed that the 'new person' was simply an alias of an existing one.

Yes but lets work with 'Jon is 100% innocent' for now.

How do they deal with it? I mean, mpkossen could back down and retract the ban himself but I dunno, given the witch hunt he's looking for I don't think he misread the data.

Francisco

 

[drmike]

Doesn't Jon Nguyen have a history of making that claim? Remember when he 'stepped down', and that new employee appeared on LET... only to later find they had the same IP address thanks to the honesty of Mpkossen who pointed it out? After some lying and digging a deeper hole, it was later revealed that the 'new person' was simply an alias of an existing one.

Jaroslav Urban.

Who later was proven to be: Tyler Plack.   Who was then proven to be using the alias Alan Romano and pretending running AcclaimedHost which was just a GVH reseller / investment / shill.  Yeah that was a GVH banning / lie / IP gimmick that went on and on prior over there at LET and Kossen put some boot leather on.

How many times are these sites going to allow high school gamer mentalities to run pre-tenda businesses and shit on the floor?  

GVH is going to be in a world of pain when WHT puts a slap down on him. 

Just like Fabozzi, his only market will be LET and that's about to go way wrong and cause pain in their happy little corrupt home.

 

[DomainBop]

Getting banned on home field is pretty rough but I think if the ban sticks (and doesn't get overruled or turned into a 'timeout') that you'll suddenly see a wave of 'how is GVH?' threads on WHT.


Then again, if the mods over there catch wind they may lay down the law. I can't see them being overly happy having to deal with the mountain of crap that comes with every GVH thread that gets posted over there.

GVH's director of customer service "Amy"/Galleaho's alleged alter ego HostNun is banned on WHT (and if I'm not mistaken GVH Eric 's former company was also banned).  Add to that the LET shilling allegations and I think GVH would be facing a quick ban if he tried to pull the same publicity stunts on WHT that he's been doing on LET.

As far as GVH's ban from LET, I'm in 100% agreement with the comments Oktay made about GVH in the LET cestpit after the ban.

The lowend does have some great hosts who are doing things right, operate ethically and provide solid services. It's just hosts like this who run around and dirty up the industry and make it laughable to the rest of the VPS market that is doing it the most harm

Agree, and it's people like Jonny and his #winning idol that cause many to steer away from anything "low end" (OK, so some of the WHT signature flashers who like to post "you pay peanuts, you get monkeys" anytime  a host who charges less than them is mentioned also contribute to the generally bad perception of "low end" hosts).

 

[Gallaeaho]

Doesn't Jon Nguyen have a history of making that claim? Remember when he 'stepped down', and that new employee appeared on LET... only to later find they had the same IP address thanks to the honesty of Mpkossen who pointed it out? After some lying and digging a deeper hole, it was later revealed that the 'new person' was simply an alias of an existing one.

The lowend does have some great hosts who are doing things right, operate ethically and provide solid services. It's just hosts like this who run around and dirty up the industry and make it laughable to the rest of the VPS market that is doing it the most harm. The good lowend hosts should be happy of this news as it makes it less embarrassing to associate yourself with the lowend side of things when hosts like GVH are put in their place.

Allow me to personally make some comments regarding the "IP addresses" fiasco.

Yeah, I'm being accused of being "HostNun", purportedly some sort of shill company that operates in collaboration with the company that I work for, GVH. To be quite honest, they may very well be a client, they may have reseller accounts, they may very well just resell our services, but it's not my job to know which "companies" we do business with.

@Francisco: He probably did not misread the data whatsoever. The data that he has is probably several IP addresses that I've used to sign into LowEndTalk, most likely all from a certain ISP called Telus Communications (which provides the IP addresses for both Telus Mobility and Koodo Mobile here in Canada), and probably certain same IP addresses with this guy that runs HostNun.

The IP addresses are shared and not geolocated for a specific province in Canada, so Mr. Kossen probably saw Dorval, QC and a few other places in Quebec and assumed based on that, the I was HostNun.

Let me make a long story very short: Even if I do get unbanned from LowEndTalk (which I honestly doubt at this point), you can rest safely knowing that I will not be back as a participating member of the community. It's not like I had a footprint there to begin with.

 

[Amitz]

██ Customer Support Manager @ GigaTux - Value Linux & Windows Hosting


██ Xen Powered VPS servers in USA, UK & Germany


Old or new signature?

 

[Gallaeaho]

██ Customer Support Manager @ GigaTux - Value Linux & Windows Hosting


██ Xen Powered VPS servers in USA, UK & Germany


Old or new signature?

Old. I'm not really that active here, either.

 

[msp - nick]

Hmm,

Pretty interesting, I for one, I am very happy with the administrators choices by banning Jonny.

I hope it sticks. I really do

jonny is going to lose a lot of business.. now for the actions he has taken.

 

[DomainBop]

Biloh:

We're confident in Maarten's decision making process and have no plans to involve ourselves in this area.

 

[MattKC]

I don't believe for a second that Jonny boy was the "top" of GVH, and it wasn't "I'll sue you if you post my personal details" Lance either. Jonny was the puppet, who was allowed a long leash on his strings, but someone else held those from afar. As long as he generated short term revenue, the strings stayed loose. We've seen this pattern before. The implosion was inevitable, and I'm sure the shills will turn to the last place GVH is allowed, but WHT already updated their rules to address the shill issue (which impacts the host being shilled as well now) so their stay should be short lived. So much for that pool table you were dreaming about Jonny (and we know you are reading this).

 

[serverian]

 

[Francisco]

Biloh rang in and claims there's no plans to overrule @mpkossen on the matter:

http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/745591/#Comment_745591

He gets my thumbs up for standing behind his staffer in the matter. Be it he each sides story,

in the end mpkossen is supposedly THE LAW.

Francisco

 

[drmike]

I have to say, this is interesting theater observation from the sidelines.

GVH and their whole exclusive relationship with ColoCrossing at this point should be under ahh review.

On one hand I feel that if Jonny and his cohorts aren't lying [this time finally] then it's sad for them.  But it's the story of the little boy that cried wolf one too many times.

Hopefully CC / Kossen sticks to their guns and double checks the facts real good [if they haven't already].

Fact is CC doesn't need all these PITA kids reselling their dedicated servers.  Super special arrangement / deal / investment / ownership of [or by] Servermania made them care far less about these providers nested under them.  Thus directly competing with their own customers.

There will be more info about that Servermania relationship here in a bit.  Coming soon

 

[k0nsl]

This made my day.