http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/22/us-hungary-internet-tax-idUSKCN0IB0RN20141022
60 cents a gigabyte? Sheesh.
60 cents a gigabyte? Sheesh.
Hungary Proposes New Tax on Its Internet Traffic
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Fucking what..... reading that made me so fucking angry.
I think we will reflect on the internet in 20 years time and remember the good old days when it was usable, absolute wanktards, I hope whoever came up with that bullshit does not wake up tomorrow.
my fucking god I am foaming, if that shit gets passed its only a matter of time before the fatcunts cats in the rest of the EU see it as yet another way to make the poor poorer and the rich richer.
I think we will reflect on the internet in 20 years time and remember the good old days when it was usable, absolute wanktards, I hope whoever came up with that bullshit does not wake up tomorrow.
my fucking god I am foaming, if that shit gets passed its only a matter of time before the fat
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drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
I love it. Well sort of.
"Under the current tax code private individuals' tax payments are maximized at a monthly 700 forints ($2.9) while companies cannot pay more than 5,000 forints a month."
That's a reasonable tax today. $2.90 a month. It's a little high as an item tax and ideally would be implemented as a head tax instead of $2.90 a month for your mobile, $2.90 more for your home internet, $2.90 more for your hosting, etc.
We need to address fiber globally and do so as a public utility. Communities should deploy fiber and own the rings - as a public owned resource and with access to such by anyone. It should be approached like any public works project (water, sewer, electric, etc.) and can ride alongside such in public right of ways the cities, towns, counties, etc. own/control.
Unsure how fiber is handled in Hungary and if this is just ill thought taxation to load their coffers (like I suspect it is). Let them tax it, and make them have to own such and use funds for such to improve and build more of what they are deriving taxation from.
60 cents per gigabyte new proposal... yeah... fat cats smoking crazy stuff to propose such robbery.
"Under the current tax code private individuals' tax payments are maximized at a monthly 700 forints ($2.9) while companies cannot pay more than 5,000 forints a month."
That's a reasonable tax today. $2.90 a month. It's a little high as an item tax and ideally would be implemented as a head tax instead of $2.90 a month for your mobile, $2.90 more for your home internet, $2.90 more for your hosting, etc.
We need to address fiber globally and do so as a public utility. Communities should deploy fiber and own the rings - as a public owned resource and with access to such by anyone. It should be approached like any public works project (water, sewer, electric, etc.) and can ride alongside such in public right of ways the cities, towns, counties, etc. own/control.
Unsure how fiber is handled in Hungary and if this is just ill thought taxation to load their coffers (like I suspect it is). Let them tax it, and make them have to own such and use funds for such to improve and build more of what they are deriving taxation from.
60 cents per gigabyte new proposal... yeah... fat cats smoking crazy stuff to propose such robbery.
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DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
I'm already reflecting on the good old days back when I launched my first website 20 years ago.
It would be reasonable if it were any country other than Hungary imposing the tax. Hungary already has the highest VAT tax rates in the EU at 27%.
Probably true, and over here in the US things seem to be going the same way with the moves to end Net Neutrality. Small businesses will get hit the hardest (as usual).
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
VAT, yeah definitely high in Hungary. Reads like a bad southern joke VAT + HUNGARY... We'll be eating fat off the bone...
Some folks are fine with VAT but lots of complaints about VAT in general.
Taxes only make sense where tax payers see / derive benefit from such. With VAT I doubt taxpayers (citizens mostly) can point to where their VAT tax goes and benefits from such.
If taxing internet, then I should see cheap and fast internet access and tons of options for providers.
If taxing internet and I am stuck in 1990's bandwidth then yeah, taxation that is misguided for taking and nothing more.
Some folks are fine with VAT but lots of complaints about VAT in general.
Taxes only make sense where tax payers see / derive benefit from such. With VAT I doubt taxpayers (citizens mostly) can point to where their VAT tax goes and benefits from such.
If taxing internet, then I should see cheap and fast internet access and tons of options for providers.
If taxing internet and I am stuck in 1990's bandwidth then yeah, taxation that is misguided for taking and nothing more.
Yes that is the 'current' tax code which is under telecoms general, the new proposal will have no such cap and will be at eqv. $0.60 p/GB
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Wow... Government has no business taxing this.
TekStorm - Walter
New Member
Yeah, That is crazy, they are going to see alot of company's that rely on the net leave and find cheaper places to run, that what i would do.
fixidixi
Active Member
Well I'm a hungarian citizen.. and yeah this proposal surprised everyone. It's also strange because the elections were held this month and politicans tend to pass unfavourable proposals after elections but they mostly wait a little longer..
..and it seems this proposal was drawn by an idiot with a degree in philosophy and without any idea about reality:
in the annoucement it was told that the reason to create such new tax is that because they made a tax on telecommunications a year ago (phone calls to be exact so you were taxed by the length of calls: tax was imposed on telec. companies and as always redirected to users) and you could easily avoid it by using voip/skype/viber etc. instead of normal calls.
and I think noone would care if they would have imposed a flat price tax on internet (well every tax is bad ) but we could have took it. but today we are so reliant on the internet that taxing it based on bandwith usage takes us back to the stonage...
..and it seems this proposal was drawn by an idiot with a degree in philosophy and without any idea about reality:
in the annoucement it was told that the reason to create such new tax is that because they made a tax on telecommunications a year ago (phone calls to be exact so you were taxed by the length of calls: tax was imposed on telec. companies and as always redirected to users) and you could easily avoid it by using voip/skype/viber etc. instead of normal calls.
and I think noone would care if they would have imposed a flat price tax on internet (well every tax is bad
) but we could have took it. but today we are so reliant on the internet that taxing it based on bandwith usage takes us back to the stonage...
fixidixi
Active Member
hey,
they havent: they just said that they wont accept it in this form: they are going to impose a tax just not on these exact terms.
they are going to decide about it in january: its much harder to get ppl on the streets with a freezing chill outside while you have no gas to heat your home with (yea we rely on russia just as everyone else around us and I bet that the russians are going to use this leverage as they always do)
they havent: they just said that they wont accept it in this form: they are going to impose a tax just not on these exact terms.
they are going to decide about it in january: its much harder to get ppl on the streets with a freezing chill outside while you have no gas to heat your home with (yea we rely on russia just as everyone else around us and I bet that the russians are going to use this leverage as they always do)
Looks like they're putting it "on hold" because of all of the heavy protesting:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29846285?ocid=socialflow_twitter
While it says cancelled, they've only shelved it and will likely attach it to some random budget bill in the new year.
Francisco
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29846285?ocid=socialflow_twitter
While it says cancelled, they've only shelved it and will likely attach it to some random budget bill in the new year.
Francisco
fixidixi
Active Member
@Fran:
Well to be honest the foregin media is pretty wild against our current government and its really hard to find any news without extreme exaggerations..
..like they r cementing their power: sure they are moving their own people into key positions (like all parties do) but its a no-brainer why so many people voted for them: because there is no better alternative. The truth is there are only much worse idiots noone wants to hear about..
The reason there were so many people on the streets is simple: this kind of tax is idiotic. But interpreting it as support for any other party.. well.. just as idiotic as this tax.
Well to be honest the foregin media is pretty wild against our current government and its really hard to find any news without extreme exaggerations..
..like they r cementing their power: sure they are moving their own people into key positions (like all parties do) but its a no-brainer why so many people voted for them: because there is no better alternative. The truth is there are only much worse idiots noone wants to hear about..
The reason there were so many people on the streets is simple: this kind of tax is idiotic. But interpreting it as support for any other party.. well.. just as idiotic as this tax
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Sonwebhost
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Goverments today are trying all and any means to rase taxes due to the world economic fallout, just an other way to tax people for Goverment mismanagement .......