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The truth about Mao and BuyVM

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maounique

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How the heck quoting works here ?

Anyway, I wont post any screenshot without his permission, but you already know that as you say he told you.. I even reminded him those claims are recorded.

Since CC will ban me, I made many screenshots not only about Francisco, but also about Spirit, the even-handed admin that swears like he is trying to match you. 

And you can threaten me as much as you like, I dont really care as I didnt care before, what makes you think I am more scared now than 18 months ago ? 

It was a simple issue, you started attacking Tor operators and i found that odd especially the violence of the attack, so i dug up the truth which you didnt admit until then.

It was always the crusade against wrongdoers, not the fact that your network coldnt handle it. It was weird routing, it was some switch, then DCs fault. You needed 1 month + to make up your mind and in the end was the dc which you were ridiculing everyone for saying before. Each new version was backed with "facts" that were not sustaining the mathematical proof, even with large aproximations in your favour.

I have no demands for apologising, I told Francisco that will never happen, I prefer it this way, for example now I am able to call you on the attacks on CC, showing how you did the same in many aspects.

You say I was paid by CC... Sure. Probably they will also ban me to make their story more credible. In fact, I have no doubt they would do that if the situation would have been as such. 

No, Mr. Aldryic, see I am talking to you, even if you are not worthy, nobody pays me or payd me to tell what i think is true.  

I told francisco I wont be coming here, he has his forum, I have mine, but CC's one is no longer mine, so things changed. But, of course, you can always ask me to leave, no need to ban me. This was a parallel between CC and BuyVM rule over LET, each time you will claim you are the good guys after you behaved the same way, I will do the same, remind people how it was. In time less and less will remember or will care, it is already so, but remember the streak of good luck you had after that, all DCs were bad one way or the other. Let's see how this last one will do.

I demand proof of Francisco threatening to hack Prometeus.  Proof you can never provide, because as always you do nothing but tell lies.
 

drmike

100% Tier-1 Gogent
 

Thanks.


 


We will see what happens if 20% of the latest topics are about "bad BuyVM" and if the topics are on page 1 of google search results.


Hey they pushed the seo of vpsboard to harm CC - but this knife can bite back.


 


I am waiting for a statement like "this does have detrimental influence on business and therefore the topic was deleted".
Clarifying here...


"They" pushed SEO of vpsBoard --- who is they?


"this does have detrimental influence on business and therefore the topic was deleted" ---> who would be stating that?
 

maounique

Active Member
This had never anything to do with noble goals or the righteousness of fighting anonymity. It was purely a business decision, we will spare a few bucks if we forbid high bw apps that are likely to use more than a few % of the sold traffic. 

If he kept it like meh, that Tor and anonymity thing is shady, I wouldnt want to do anything with it nothing would have happened, I wouldnt even pay attention to it, but the violence of the attacks raised my eyebrow. There was deffinitelly something strange there and it took a while, but I found it. It was for the best. BuyVM saw suddenly there was a problem with their DC (like they needed me to do the math for them), customers had better network and less powerfailures an downtime. Err... yeah something like that maybe someone remembers better. Then they have been bufalloed. Now finally found a great DC. 

I am sorry, but this is ridiculous. There are tons of better providers with better network better service better prices (sure not allin the same time but at least a few) and still BuyVM ranks high. That proves very good PR skills, good for them, but we will see in a few months how the math is going under the hood, that was never their strong point. 

And I am annoying and destroying the community, how ? By posting (supposedly) offtopic in the, er... oftopic section ? Lol ?
 
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Aldryic C'boas

The Pony
I dunno Mao, maybe my remarks about paedophiles hit a little close to home.  Can't imagine any other reason you're taking this so personally.  Unless other folks with a dislike of BuyVM are paying you to be a nuisance again... which I could see happening.  You have no problems telling lies about folks, so you likely have no problems whoring yourself out.

Hell, you've straight up admitted to having/using fake IDs.  But in spite of all the dishonesty, we're supposed to believe that you're legit?  Hah.

How the heck quoting works here ?
... you can't figure out BBCode, but you expect people to believe you know enough about networking to reveal 'some big scam'?  Suuuuure.

It was a simple issue, you started attacking Tor operators and i found that odd especially the violence of the attack, so i dug up the truth which you didnt admit until then.
What truth?  That I dislike paedophiles, and the known fact that child porn exists on TOR?  Yup, stating my opinion is an 'attack' all right.

But, of course, you can always ask me to leave, no need to ban me.
Again, you try to make assumptions that I can actually ban people.  But we all know that simply asking you to do anything will never work - when you first started this tirade I asked you to calm down and discuss this with us, and you went berserk over some personal slight.  But sure, let's try again.  I ask that you leave;  failing that, I ask that you stop spreading lies.  Given that you won't do either - I ask that you show actual proof.  But you can't even do that much - all you can do is tell stories.
 

MannDude

Just a dude
vpsBoard Founder
Moderator
The two threads were split, the original thread was here:

Figured this one needed it's own thread since that was the only discussion going on in the other one.

Mao, feel free to suggest a different thread title. I didn't know what to use.
 

Francisco

Company Lube
Verified Provider
I never hacked nothin', you're just easy to troll into a rage. If you did get hacked then you should email all your customers and inform the local authorities.

The only reason I don't start fights with you very much in public is because I like Sal enough to not drag him into it.

If you really want to I can start that up though?

Francisco
 
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MannDude

Just a dude
vpsBoard Founder
Moderator
Also, as always, just a friendly reminder to keep things civil. Not that anyone has been uncivil thus far, just throwing it out there. :)
 

DomainBop

Dormant VPSB Pathogen
Unless other folks with a dislike of BuyVM are paying you to be a nuisance again... which I could see happening.
Guilty as charged.  I put him up to it. I'm the chairman of ATDC* and our organization's aim is to keep the children safe from being exposed to towel dancing pr0n on the Interwebs.  BuyVM has been in our sights as a purveyor of towel dance pr0n since those vacation pictures of your towel dancing head honcho were posted.  You can run towel dance, but you can't hide BuyVM.

*ATDC=Anti-Towel Dancing Coalition
 

Francisco

Company Lube
Verified Provider
Guilty as charged.  I put him up to it. I'm the chairman of ATDC* and our organization's aim is to keep the children safe from being exposed to towel dancing pr0n on the Interwebs.  BuyVM has been in our sights as a purveyor of towel dance pr0n since those vacation pictures of your towel dancing head honcho were posted.  You can run towel dance, but you can't hide BuyVM.

*ATDC=Anti-Towel Dancing Coalition
Fuck.
 
These threads have just gotten pathetic. People need to move on and make this site a less bitter place to be in. As right as you might feel, writing essays in your replies is a turn off on LET and your association to Prometeus when you write utter crap on LET should be a source of embarrassment for 'Uncle'. 

P.S. let's please not call him 'Uncle'. Unless you all are 16 year old girls in need of a father figure.
 

maounique

Active Member
1. I protest topic split. First, FFS, it is the off-topic section. Second, it has everything to do with the way CC and BuyVM ruled that place, so it is not standing on it's own. BuyVM has own problems and the company has nothing to do with it, only the people running it also run LET and employed the same methods of keeping it "clean".

2. It has nothing to do with Tor either. That was only the sparkle that put me on a trail to see why a company with such good reviews and supposedly good network is so strong against relays which would never pose any risk. That I told people as part of the story, otherwise would have not really been clear how I came to check their network helped by tens of people there which earned me the ban.

3. It also has absolutely nothing to do with Prometeus. BuyVM tries to involve it, even make threats against it, because they think they can silence me this way since they cant (probably) ban me again, even if the campaign already started. ALL these things happened at least 6 months before I joined prometeus and almost all even before I got a VM with them. The attempt to bring it into discussion reminds me of jarland's low tacticts. At the (probable) argument that i bring BuyVM in a situation where a private opinion was expressed, nope, that is not it at all, their policy has been to ban a certain app without any other justiffication except that it uses a lot of traffic, and this put me on a trail of discoveries inconvenient to BuyVM which then banned me as a result of sucessfully proving they do have a problem. As I said, relays are perfectly safe and they know it. They used slander to justify it also, so, yeah, BuyVM is involved in this, Prometeus is not, they were even allowing Exit nodes at tha time not to mention relays.

4. You people realize that PRIOR to my discoveries (and many other people that posted speedtests with ridiculous results that even analogue modems would have beaten) there was "no problem" with their network at EGI, right ? It was all ponies and rainbows, BuyVM quality was unmatched in the whole world, it took tens of people to begin to wonder why their speed is so low and they tried to find a lot of other justiffications before pulling the DC's fault meme. So no, Jack, they were not forthcoming with this issue, I FORCED it on them.

5. With my ban came the end of the thread where all those things transpired. The ban was supposed to last 48 hours but it took more than a month iirc until I accdentally discovered I was unbanned by firing an old vm which had let open in a browser and i found out it was logged in :eek:. It was certainly a coincidence I was banned right then at the "people"'s request. Funny how "the people" are also backing Spirit against DB today. This IS related to CC and their tactics at LET, this is a history lesson that is repeating, it has everything to do with it. Splitting topics and putting a mock title is another dirty tactic to prevent people form learning how BuyVM deals with the opposition and the truth. They are attacking CC today for the same things they did yesterday and, wait, CC didnt even ban me yet, even though Spirit foamed at the mouth Aldryic style.

Conclusion ? This is a sad attempt for a free forum, we let convenient facts to flourish, we ridicule and throw in a corner people with inconvenient facts. The topic split is dirty trick, as well as the new name under the pretense I was asked for one. I have no beef against buyvm per se, things will catch up with them anyway in a couple of months, all is in the past now, I was only pointing out the similarities between their rule and cc rule and someone asked about the history, therefore the topic split was totally unwarranted.

It is, of course, easy to be democratic when everyone praises you, the acid test comes with the presence of opposition. Both BuyVM and CC failed that test. This forums administration already got a C so far, we will see if they get any lower.
 
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DomainBop

Dormant VPSB Pathogen
Funny how "the people" are also backing Spirit against DB today.
They (which consists of the other admin thanking his posts) are wasting their time backing him.  DB made the decision to go into exile before Spirit posted.  If the words honesty or integrity ever enter the vocabularies of the owners or administrators there DB might reconsider that decision. :)

It was all ponies and rainbows
It's still all about ponies and rainbows on LET...or at least today is.  There's a thread with a pony vacation picture meme calling him a male escort, and Andrew from 123systems has a 'NOPONY' coupon code in his signature.
 
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HalfEatenPie

The Irrational One
Retired Staff
Well, I get on and this is what I see.

All I have to say is please keep this civil in here guys :)

Also Mao, in terms of your last comment, I apologize you feel that way. I guess the reasoning behind MannDude's moderation action was due to the fact that the previous topic was originally focused on SolveDDoS while this thread focuses on this discussion at hand. It was more of a categorization than anything really, especially since (in my opinion) the thread diverged from the topic. It was mostly to keep this discussion going while continuing the original discussion in that thread. I apologize if you took it as a way for us to "low-ball" or to try and "divert attention away". Everyone on staff try hard not to interfere too much without the Community's approval and I know for a fact I rarely have to pull out the "Moderator" cape.

Also, I understand this is a pretty heated discussion but please keep it civil :). Attempting to discredit each other with insults really isn't the way to go.

===== Mod talk over =====

In terms of the LET/LEB staff members, I believe it's just each individual applying their personal views into their moderation actions. Being a LET/LEB staff member I'm sure gives you a better insight on CC's operation on the LEB/LET forums (more information we are unaware of). This information probably can't be released to the public (either through personal/private reasons).

From this information (which can be highly skewed in favor for one or another side), they created their own private opinions and then see others who disagree with them as "incorrect/wrong" people. Now, I can definitely say many individuals in this community and in the other community have a need/want for those individuals to see "their" point of view. Each side demands the other side accept their own point of view as the ultimate truth. Now, this goes into debate over what "truth" really means, but sometimes different people have different criteria for proof that sometimes just can't be satisfied.

This is part of what makes human interaction and discussion so much fun! Trying to show the other individual why you believe your truth is the correct truth and why they should agree with you. This is also what makes politicians politicians. They're great at this communication (or method to manipulate this concept).

Bottom line, as a guy who's on the other side of the fence here on vpsBoard (aka on staff), I can definitely say we try to be equal and even with everything. Not trying to hide anything, not trying to screw anyone over. I say this more as an individual than a staff member, but I can guarantee you my character applies to my moderation style (although I try really hard to be as unbiased as possible). It's a possibility the staff at LEB/LET could feel the same way, and to them they feel they're doing the right thing. I can't judge them on that, but they way they could have expressed it could have been much better.

tldr: I'm not trying to screw anyone over. MannDude isn't trying to screw anyone over. Martin isn't trying to screw anyone over. We really try to be as reasonable as possible. If this isn't up to par then let us know where we can improve, why you think ____ shouldn't be this way, etc.
 
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HalfEatenPie

The Irrational One
Retired Staff
They (which consists of the other admin thanking his posts) are wasting their time backing him.  DB made the decision to go into exile before Spirit posted.  If the words honesty or integrity ever enter the vocabularies of the owners or administrators there DB might reconsider that decision. :)
Did you just.... refer to yourself in third person?

HalfEatenPie is afraid wlanboy might air some dirty laundry on Catalyst! HalfEatenPie should probably do his laundry before they get aired!
 
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