WeServeIT - Datacenter query (split)

[drmike]

Always interesting to read about things outside of my typical facility/vendor/upstream focus.  NL starting to sound a lot like the common UK facilities and past year of endless attacks and inability to block them.

I think folks (justifiably) get angry when those they deem competition sound one liners that ring in their ears like a bell.  

I trust Nick stewed over the deal long and hard and asked the tough questions.

All the DDoS talk and offlining whole networks, ouchie!  Let us all hope that the mentioned networks and companies today are able to deal with things they couldn't in years past. Few years back, MANY facilities could be punted offline and were with simple traffic based attacks.

 

[Patrick]

I guess bufalooed is right, latency wise and when not under ddos it was good to be honest. Some of WSI clients got ddos and it brought all our servers down which were in different racks however can't comment on size.


But kudos to WSI I guess as it was resolved quickly I guess.

 

[weservit]

I guess bufalooed is right, latency wise and when not under ddos it was good to be honest. Some of WSI clients got ddos and it brought all our servers down which were in different racks however can't comment on size.


But kudos to WSI I guess as it was resolved quickly I guess.

You are right. We have multiple Gbit trunks to Proserve, but in case of a DDOS attack sent by a single mac address the loadbalancing protocols don't work correctly. It happened that one of the Gbit/s links went full and this caused problems. Like you say we got it managed very quickly because we receive instant notifications and we can nullroute it immediately by our self. That's why we expanded our network to 10Gbit/s links a few weeks ago to make sure it doesn't happen again. We had to wait on new equipment and setup times from our carriers to deliver the new connections.

I can't give any specific information about RamNode's setup I'm afraid, but they have all hardware in 1 rack and their own 10Gbit/s switching. Other nodes, RamNode customers or WeservIT customers won't be affected in case of a DDOS attack.

Thanks!

 

[Terminator]

Some of WSI clients got ddos and it brought all our servers down which were in different racks however can't comment on size.

Our core network has 100% uptime since we moved to Dataplace 2 years and 2 months ago.

100% core network uptime without counting _numerous_ ddos attacks mentioned above where "your" network was fully or partialy affected? It's clearly not 100% and I don't see why to lie, we arent half-retards u know. First lie about TrueVPS, then lie about uptime is there anything else u wanna lie about?

 

[Reece-DM]

It's actually pretty crap, among worst ones in the NL together with Serverius. Coming from someone who has used dozen of NL datacenters/networks in the past few years. 

You were also very luckily to jump to Proserve network without knowing if DDoS would continue, because if your UK attacks continued it'd take Proserve offline completely. How do I know? Well, we were there around 2 years ago and our DDoS took their network completely offline for the whole weekend. Around 500k PPS syn flood aimed to IPs without ARP entry, hence packages ending up to routers directly. They couldn't figure it out, was a big deal back then. Thumbs up to LeaseWeb network and their real network engineers that figured out and patched this type of vulnebility almost instantly. Proserve was like "sorry man, nothing we can do, you are effecting our enterprise customers who pay tons of euros, you have 5 hours before we null all your subnets, get out".

In all honesty, the provider you currently use in the NL Patrick, is one of top ones, most likely the best in the NL at this time. I would bet NFOrce has more network capacity on a rackswitch and can push more real bandwidth on a single rackswitch than Proserve could do on their whole tiny network combined. 

I can vouch for Kruno's past experience with those DC's they screwed him over majorly and to be quite honest the attacks wasn't big compared to what have been measured before. Very tight operation krun has, he is lucky to recover from such incidents. in regards to the attacks, they was targeted towards him and a few other providers at the time (If i recall correctly) much like the UK fiasco, chances are it was a competitor with access to Hackforums and numerous booters.

Skids aye! -- It's good to see an improvement from Proserve/WSI though if they have upgraded some stuff..

 

[imperio]

Is it the only me recognizing WSI as wholesaleinternet

My shopping list for DC in NL:

1) Leaseweb

2) Nforce

3) Global-Layer

4) Ecatel

5) Serverius

 

[Patrick]

Is it the only me recognizing WSI as wholesaleinternet

My shopping list for DC in NL:

1) Leaseweb

2) Nforce

3) Global-Layer

4) Ecatel

5) Serverius

i3d is pretty good too

 

[imperio]

i3d is pretty good too

Indeed.I have used them before however they are out of my list for a negative experience not caused by their fault.

 

[Reece-DM]

Indeed.I have used them before however they are out of my list for a negative experience not caused by their fault.

But you include Ecatel and Serverius in the list??.. Interesting.

 

[Kruno]

Is it the only me recognizing WSI as wholesaleinternet

My shopping list for DC in NL:

1) Leaseweb

2) Nforce

3) Global-Layer

4) Ecatel

5) Serverius

1 and 2 are the top.

Global-Layer has hardware in a nice datacenter but it's single homed to AtratoIP which may be going out of business soon - you see why single homing is bad!), probably due to Atrato's extremely cheap bandwidth. False advertising of Atrato uplinks in sales thread also doesn't help his case. His support is good though. 

Ecatel is errr. old hardware, budget network and poor uptime followed by several network outages in the last few months. Support may be rude sometimes. 

Serverius and Gijs are dirty scammers. Avoid like a plague unless you have to be blackmailed and have too much money on your hands. 

 

[imperio]

But you include Ecatel and Serverius in the list??.. Interesting.

My shopping list is my personal experience and I did not have an issue with yet.Thats just simple.

 

[imperio]

1 and 2 are the top.

Global-Layer has hardware in a nice datacenter but it's single homed to AtratoIP which may be going out of business soon - you see why single homing is bad!), probably due to Atrato's extremely cheap bandwidth. False advertising of Atrato uplinks in sales thread also doesn't help his case. His support is good though. 

Ecatel is errr. old hardware, budget network and poor uptime followed by several network outages in the last few months. Support may be rude sometimes. 

Serverius and Gijs are dirty scammers. Avoid like a plague unless you have to be blackmailed and have too much money on your hands. 

I also dislike being single homed on global-layer however no issues yet.I didnt have any issues with serverius either.Ecatel is on the list for some specific reasons.

My Node's last 30 days uptime with 1 minutes http check.

1) Leaseweb %100

2) Nforce %100

3) Global-Layer %100

4) Ecatel %99.65

5) Serverius %99.97