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Why Mac is the best OS
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wlanboy
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OS X is nice but there are some major disadvantages:
1. No standard package manager
On Linux I have aptitude, yum, pacman - all amazing at what they do. On OSX homebrew is a decent option, but it’s a far away from the Linux package managers.
2. Property XML settings
In OSX you sometimes have to write some XML config files. Not talking about all the Preferences plist files.
3. XCode and ObjectiveC
It is a fubar kind of IDE. I do like message oriented programming but ObjectiveC is sometimes as bad as XCode is. Looking to JS, Ruby, Java, C# ObjectiveC is just a painfull way to do something.
And yes I do like the architecture of Mac OS X.
Let's start with the FreeBSD Kernel ... and even that is wrong. The original kernel is based on the Mach micro kernel. And it is still present and doing all the hardware I/O (cpu, ram) stuff.
So Mach + FreeBSD kernel + GNU system utils is something that is called Darwin. The core os which I do like.
On that layer there are core services like Carbon, Cocoa, and the so called classic environment which died. Well carbon is outdated too. So Cocoa is the framework everyone should use for apps.
Pros of Mach:
I don't want to talk about QuickTime. It should be replaced like iTunes or XCode.
If you know how OS X is build and how it is working you cannot say that OS X is "the best" OS. Darwin might be one - OS X not.
1. No standard package manager
On Linux I have aptitude, yum, pacman - all amazing at what they do. On OSX homebrew is a decent option, but it’s a far away from the Linux package managers.
2. Property XML settings
In OSX you sometimes have to write some XML config files. Not talking about all the Preferences plist files.
3. XCode and ObjectiveC
It is a fubar kind of IDE. I do like message oriented programming but ObjectiveC is sometimes as bad as XCode is. Looking to JS, Ruby, Java, C# ObjectiveC is just a painfull way to do something.
And yes I do like the architecture of Mac OS X.
Let's start with the FreeBSD Kernel ... and even that is wrong. The original kernel is based on the Mach micro kernel. And it is still present and doing all the hardware I/O (cpu, ram) stuff.
So Mach + FreeBSD kernel + GNU system utils is something that is called Darwin. The core os which I do like.
On that layer there are core services like Carbon, Cocoa, and the so called classic environment which died. Well carbon is outdated too. So Cocoa is the framework everyone should use for apps.
Pros of Mach:
- Separate memory areas
- Preemptive multi tasking
- Microkernel
I don't want to talk about QuickTime. It should be replaced like iTunes or XCode.
If you know how OS X is build and how it is working you cannot say that OS X is "the best" OS. Darwin might be one - OS X not.
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Windows just sucks, I have no other words for it. Especially the IO is just pathetic. I only use windows when I really need to (work).
I like Linux on servers a lot, the system itself is lightweight, and extremely flexible. So you can fully use the system for whatever you want. I've tried mac os server, but no. It sucks. Yes it's easy, and yes it works seamlessly with your other os x computers. But configuration is very limited and the system uses a lot of resources for stuff you don't need (GUI on a server :|).
On the desktop is the other way around. Mac OS X is so much more polished and consistent. Window management on Linux is so freaking clunky. And most important, in 9 out of 10 cases the applications on the mac are much better. Linux really lacks in this department. There's not even a decent mail client... As much as I want to like Linux on the desktop I always end up reinstalling OS X.
In the end OS X isn't perfect. For example you can't cut-n-paste files in the finder, copy paste is no problem and the cut option is present in the menu, but it's greyed out :S. Apple decided we need to drag. And it needs a ton of ram, I find 4GB on the small side unless you have an SSD. Then the swapping isn't really an issue.
I like Linux on servers a lot, the system itself is lightweight, and extremely flexible. So you can fully use the system for whatever you want. I've tried mac os server, but no. It sucks. Yes it's easy, and yes it works seamlessly with your other os x computers. But configuration is very limited and the system uses a lot of resources for stuff you don't need (GUI on a server :|).
On the desktop is the other way around. Mac OS X is so much more polished and consistent. Window management on Linux is so freaking clunky. And most important, in 9 out of 10 cases the applications on the mac are much better. Linux really lacks in this department. There's not even a decent mail client... As much as I want to like Linux on the desktop I always end up reinstalling OS X.
In the end OS X isn't perfect. For example you can't cut-n-paste files in the finder, copy paste is no problem and the cut option is present in the menu, but it's greyed out :S. Apple decided we need to drag. And it needs a ton of ram, I find 4GB on the small side unless you have an SSD. Then the swapping isn't really an issue.
iTunes 11 is a user experience nightmare yes, but versions before that I found to be ok-ish. They worked, I could find my music, I could play my music, I was happy.
No keyboard shortcuts? Come on.. Something tells me you haven't really tried. I'm using OS X since 10.4 and almost everything can be done with the keyboard.
The full size keyboard in your image does in fact have a delete button.
And please show me the delete button.
The laptops and the smaller Bluetooth keyboards don't. But you have to leave some buttons to save space. Personally I don't mind using fn+backspace for a forward delete that much. I guess it takes some getting used to though.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Tripped out.
Does your OS use slave labor and have nets to catch effective slaves from jumping to their death (aka suicide). Well, Apple does.
Does your OS come bundled with NSA backdoors? Well Apple does:
""In a tweet early this morning, cybersecurity researcher Christopher Soghoian pointed to an internal memo of India's Military Intelligence that has been liberated by hackers and posted on the Net. The memo suggests that, "in exchange for the Indian market presence" mobile device manufacturers, including RIM, Nokia, and Apple (collectively defined in the document as "RINOA") have agreed to provide backdoor access on their devices. The Indian government then "utilized backdoors provided by RINOA" to intercept internal emails of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, a U.S. government body with a mandate to monitor, investigate and report to Congress on 'the national security implications of the bilateral trade and economic relationship' between the U.S. and China. Manan Kakkar, an Indian blogger for ZDNet, has also picked up the story and writes that it may be the fruits of an earlier hack of Symantec. If Apple is providing governments with a backdoor to iOS, can we assume that they have also done so with Mac OS X?""
Does your operating system offer you a complete open-source option where you can audit, change things, etc.? Apple certainly doesn't. They can't even get the basic idea of sharing day to and from your portable devices to your other devices.
Don't even get me started on the retards living delusionally in Windows land. Microsoft is on their self inflicted slow drip death and decay path for a reason.
Apple = pretty products. Superior hardware? Some of it. But there are amply overpriced alternatives that are competitive at price point, build quality, faggy perception, etc.
Microsoft = office idiots, vanilla life folks who are risk adverse, the young and born into the trap folks, and gaymers.
I run Linux because of these reason and because no fat corporation is extorting me with it. Linux is the ultimate DIY, be responsible for your own damn self OS. Meshes with my life reasonably.
Plus, the knowledge is transportable across many devices (i.e. server to desktop to tablet to phone to integrated computer). Can't claim that with Apple or Microsoft which remain basically single environment (desktop).
Does your OS use slave labor and have nets to catch effective slaves from jumping to their death (aka suicide). Well, Apple does.
Does your OS come bundled with NSA backdoors? Well Apple does:
""In a tweet early this morning, cybersecurity researcher Christopher Soghoian pointed to an internal memo of India's Military Intelligence that has been liberated by hackers and posted on the Net. The memo suggests that, "in exchange for the Indian market presence" mobile device manufacturers, including RIM, Nokia, and Apple (collectively defined in the document as "RINOA") have agreed to provide backdoor access on their devices. The Indian government then "utilized backdoors provided by RINOA" to intercept internal emails of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, a U.S. government body with a mandate to monitor, investigate and report to Congress on 'the national security implications of the bilateral trade and economic relationship' between the U.S. and China. Manan Kakkar, an Indian blogger for ZDNet, has also picked up the story and writes that it may be the fruits of an earlier hack of Symantec. If Apple is providing governments with a backdoor to iOS, can we assume that they have also done so with Mac OS X?""
Does your operating system offer you a complete open-source option where you can audit, change things, etc.? Apple certainly doesn't. They can't even get the basic idea of sharing day to and from your portable devices to your other devices.
Don't even get me started on the retards living delusionally in Windows land. Microsoft is on their self inflicted slow drip death and decay path for a reason.
Apple = pretty products. Superior hardware? Some of it. But there are amply overpriced alternatives that are competitive at price point, build quality, faggy perception, etc.
Microsoft = office idiots, vanilla life folks who are risk adverse, the young and born into the trap folks, and gaymers.
I run Linux because of these reason and because no fat corporation is extorting me with it. Linux is the ultimate DIY, be responsible for your own damn self OS. Meshes with my life reasonably.
Plus, the knowledge is transportable across many devices (i.e. server to desktop to tablet to phone to integrated computer). Can't claim that with Apple or Microsoft which remain basically single environment (desktop).
I won't be the first to admit there are downsides to OS X, but as far as reasons go, these are pretty dumb.
For one, there's no "official" package manager for "GNU/Linux" either - there are standard package managers for distros, but that creates just as much confusion and crosstalk as the two or three there are for OS X. homebrew does exactly what I need it to do, install packages. I've never run into anything I couldn't just `brew install`.
Are you implying you don't have to configure things on Linux? Have you ever installed sendmail? Configured X? If you use apple hardware and os x, getting everything configured is about 10000x easier (hint: you don't need to configure anything from the command line).
Sure, XCode sucks, but you don't need to use it. On the second monitor attached to my macbook right now I have a couple of ST2 windows open doing python development. Aside from VS, pretty much every IDE is available on OS X too.
Regarding that stupid webcam picture that's been around for a decade, that's what you get when you buy an iMac, it's not like any of the HP all-in-one machines or ANY laptop will allow you to just swap the webcam out. I have a two and a half year old macbook pro and started to get banding on the screen a little bit. I took it in to the apple store and they gave me an entirely new top case (screen, etc) for free. I'll take that.
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but iOS and OS X have some of the best sync options in the market. CardDAV, CalDAV, activesync/exchange, IMAP, etc etc
mikho
Not to be taken seriously, ever!
Thats called warranty, any decent laptop comes with it. Some with 1 year, some with 3 years.
I can tell you the exact same story with my old HP laptop. 2 years and 9 months old. Brand new screen was sent to me so I could replace it. I could have sent it in or tried to locate a HP service place but I thought this was the best solution for me.
Bottom line is that you vant compare Apple hardware with MS hardware because MS doesn't build hardware, they only supply the OS for the hardware.
Apple gizmos are currently a hot topic right now, "everyone" wants one. Wait until there are the same amounts of macs as pcs in the world and you will notice an increase in virus and shit for the macs as well.
ComputerTrophy
New Member
Hmmm... But that doesn't mean Mac is free software like GNU/Linux, right?
Well, I've used OS X for a few days, but the default keyboard shortcuts are impractical, and there's some features you can find in Windows missing.
RiotSecurity
New Member
It's simple. Linux is superior. I only use windows right now because I have to (for work). However, I run linux boxes as well as I have a mac book pro.