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Spamhaus. A good or bad force in the industry?

MannDude

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Seems that there is a common divide when it comes to opinions on spam authorities such as Spamhaus. Some see the value in such blacklists whereas others find them to be immoral organizations. I've seen opinions range widely from them being a 'necessary force' to being compared directly with nazis, though I think the bulk of us lay with the mindset that they're a 'necessary evil' in the fight against spam.

What do you think?
 
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SkylarM

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Definitely a necessary evil. Don't sell to spammers intentionally and rotate them through large allocations (cough CC cough) and you typically won't have any issues with them.
 
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mtwiscool

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Bad has they want to boss people around and they have some really strange things going on (cough corruption cough).
 
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definedcode

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I think they're good, and necessary but I don't think the blanket blacklisting is a good thing. Wouldn't like to be caught in the midst of it.
 
devonblzx

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mtwiscool said:
Like this:



This proofs that spamhaus act like a mafia.

And this is not the first i hared of this issue with spamhaus and it is fucking scery and this is why i hate spamhaus.
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That doesn't prove anything.  It is a one sided statement about how they were going to have their net block blacklisted.  If a massive spammer was repeatedly spamming from their block even after spamhaus blacklisted specific IPs then the next step would have to be the whole block.  That is just common sense to me.   We don't have any idea of how many blacklists or notifications they were provided before that happened, my guess is a lot.
 
KuJoe

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All of my interactions with Spamhaus have been awesome and super friendly (especially compared to other blacklists like SpamCop). While I read a lot about the blackmailing, I also read a lot about the good things they do like block legitimate IPs for companies that protect/encourage spammers so it has some impact to their bottom line (although spammers pay a lot more than average clients so it's not a big impact). Either way, my experience with them the past however many years I've been in hosting (including numerous free hosting companies that were spammer magnets before LEBs were an option) has been only positive so I'm going to base my judgement on my own experiences and not a one-sided statement like @devonblzx pointed out.
 
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definedcode

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devonblzx said:
That doesn't prove anything.  It is a one sided statement about how they were going to have their net block blacklisted.  If a massive spammer was repeatedly spamming from their block even after spamhaus blacklisted specific IPs then the next step would have to be the whole block.  That is just common sense to me.   We don't have any idea of how many blacklists or notifications they were provided before that happened, my guess is a lot.
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That's true. If spamhaus do notify you of repeated spamming on IPs prior to blacklisting the whole block then I fully support that.
 
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definedcode

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KuJoe said:
All of my interactions with Spamhaus have been awesome and super friendly (especially compared to other blacklists like SpamCop). While I read a lot about the blackmailing, I also read a lot about the good things they do like block legitimate IPs for companies that protect/encourage spammers so it has some impact to their bottom line (although spammers pay a lot more than average clients so it's not a big impact). Either way, my experience with them the past however many years I've been in hosting (including numerous free hosting companies that were spammer magnets before LEBs were an option) has been only positive so I'm going to base my judgement on my own experiences and not a one-sided statement like @devonblzx pointed out.
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Good to hear something positive about them, a lot of the time you only hear negative opinions. Thanks for the shout.
 
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mtwiscool

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devonblzx said:
That doesn't prove anything.  It is a one sided statement about how they were going to have their net block blacklisted.  If a massive spammer was repeatedly spamming from their block even after spamhaus blacklisted specific IPs then the next step would have to be the whole block.  That is just common sense to me.   We don't have any idea of how many blacklists or notifications they were provided before that happened, my guess is a lot.
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Do you know how spam works?

Spam is more complex then spamhaus makes it out to be as alot of spam is opt in by the person signing up to a website and agreeing that they will get offer emails.

Aka alot of the the list will not be spam and can take months to investigate and not the short time that spamhaus allows before listing the whole block.
 
KuJoe

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mtwiscool said:
Do you know how spam works?

Spam is more complex then spamhaus makes it out to be as alot of spam is opt in by the person signing up to a website and agreeing that they will get offer emails.

Aka alot of the the list will not be spam and can take months to investigate and not the short time that spamhaus allows before listing the whole block.
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How many times has this happened to you? If you say more than 0, you're lying.

Additionally how many times do you converse with Spamhaus a month? You're giving vague "examples" with no real evidence of anything really happening. For fairness sake, I say we keep this thread to personal experiences only and not the one-sides statements.
 
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Aldryic C'boas

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I'd be more willing to contribute to threads like this if folks were content to simply state their opinion and walk away - don't really feel the desire to be pestered with "omg I'm always right" from the kiddy armchair lawyers.
 
HalfEatenPie

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KuJoe said:
How many times has this happened to you? If you say more than 0, you're lying.

Additionally how many times do you converse with Spamhaus a month? You're giving vague "examples" with no real evidence of anything really happening. For fairness sake, I say we keep this thread to personal experiences only and not the one-sides statements.
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I'm pretty sure most of his sources are simply rage posts from other individuals on the internet.  
 
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mtwiscool

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KuJoe said:
How many times has this happened to you? If you say more than 0, you're lying.

Additionally how many times do you converse with Spamhaus a month? You're giving vague "examples" with no real evidence of anything really happening. For fairness sake, I say we keep this thread to personal experiences only and not the one-sides statements.
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For one this has happened to me before when i ran a torrent website.

Our ip got blacklisted when we only sent activation emails.

The website was based in Lithuania.
 
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