BlueVM and the great labor rights of exploiting labor

Discussion in 'The Pub (Off topic discussion)' started by drmike, Mar 1, 2014.

  1. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

    May 13, 2013
    So from that other world of IRC....  BlueVM's IRC...

    <DanielI> I'm babysitting s12-ca
    <newbie55> Daniell: Since this is the 4th outage in a month, I'm about to leave this service anyway :p
    <newbie55> no offense, just the facts.
    <newbie55> you can forward it to management as well, they need to give you a raise
    <newbie55> :)
    <DanielI> I work here for free
    <DanielI> I don't consider it secret: P

    What do we learn?  BlueVM has "volunteer" free labor.   Very strange staffing practices.

    Can I volunteer? :)
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  2. serverian

    serverian Well-Known Member Verified Provider

    May 16, 2013
    What happens on IRC, stays on IRC.
  3. sv01

    sv01 Slow but sure

    May 17, 2013
    I'm glad, I cancel my service with them this month :)
  4. DomainBop

    DomainBop Dormant VPSB Pathogen

    Oct 11, 2013
    The use of inexperienced staff (my idea of "experienced" differs greatly from the typical LEB host who thinks 1-2 years is "experienced" :) ) probably partially explains the frequency of "my bluevm server is down" threads on forums over the past 1+ years.

    "No IRC is an island"  -famous quote from English poet John Donne's  Meditation XVII, published in 1624.
  5. Mun

    Mun Never Forget

    May 9, 2013
    He isn't staff from the last time I remember, I think he was like me, just a helper who kept things calm.

  6. EMayes1991

    EMayes1991 New Member

    Feb 3, 2014
    These problems occurred because of this, even if they have been resolved, I think its safe to say that I will terminate my services too. It's just wrong to have free and unsupervised labor accessing your servers with access to all the customers private data...
    shows multiple people, I imagine they are getting free labor from all of them.

    GVH and BlueVM seem to be proud to have so many employee even with such poor quality and low pay. Re-occurring theme here.
  7. BlueVM

    BlueVM New Member Verified Provider

    May 17, 2013
    @drmike - We have interns and volunteers because it makes it easier to manage some of our hours. Virtually every LEB/LET host has at least one volunteer or has had a volunteer at some point in time. 
  8. WebSearchingPro

    WebSearchingPro VPS Peddler Verified Provider

    May 15, 2013
    He's been staff for quite a while. With access to WHMCS and Feathur and the like. 
  9. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

    May 13, 2013
    I didn't get the memo.  
  10. wlanboy

    wlanboy Content Contributer

    May 16, 2013
    I asked Johnston - his reply:

    <~Johnston> DanielI has an NDA
    <~Johnston> I'd be stupid not to NDA everyone I work with
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  11. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

    May 13, 2013
    As always, I likely have socks older than the average "employee", "helper", "free labor", et. al. in these companies.

    1-2 years is something, short of an associates degree in reality.   Even if a fast learner, I never understand how many of these folks balance their education with such long work hours.... Especially when doing it for ahh, free.

    Real companies don't pull these rackets.  Even the interns are paid a stipend.
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  12. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

    May 13, 2013
    DanielI --- who in the heck is this fellow?

    Jan 20 --- <DanielI> colocrossing
    Jan 20 --- <DanielI> so glad i kinda "left" there
    But the lol one was....

    Jan 08 --- <DanielI> worked for ovh
    Jan 08 --- <DanielI> kinda stepped down though
    Jan 08 --- <DanielI> they just call me on hard cases
    So some fellow works for free.  He previously worked for CC, but ahh "kinda" left there?

    And, superman is OVH's secret weapon, they only call out when the mere mortals at OVH can't deal with the situation....

    Ho hum.... I need popcorn...

    Maybe he's not working for free actually... Maybe someone else just  paying him...  Or he's one of those Indians lurking in the CVPS/CC world. Outsourced workforce for the price of a Big Mac.
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  13. wlanboy

    wlanboy Content Contributer

    May 16, 2013
    There are always jobs that have a zero price tag .. but in reality there is some form of kick back.

    I know a lot of people that work for free during studies at a university and got back with a free MacBook or servers hosted for free.
  14. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

    May 13, 2013
  15. MannDude

    MannDude Just a dude vpsBoard Founder Moderator

    Mar 8, 2013
    Ishaq was a BlueVM volunteer I believe. When I had services with x4b for a month I noted him responding to my tickets, looks like he's working for Arvixe now. Arvixe, when I worked for them years ago paid pretty darn well and I am sure Ishaq did not enter as L1 drone like I did, so I would expect his compensation with them to be quite decent. I got a dollar an hour raise after like a month too, which was quite nice. They seem to reward you financially frequently. Any amount of time you work beyond 8 hours in a day is billed at 1.5X your normal rate so there is great incentive to work more than 8 hours a day, if you wish. It's a good and busy company. I love how they handle overtime as most places only dish out overtime pay for any hours worked beyond 40 in one work week. For example, if you only worked 12 hours a week for them and it was done in one day, 4 of those hours you'd be paid time and a half. To those of you who work in the lowend VPS industry, Overtime is the amount of time someone works beyond normal working hours. This may be a foreign concept to you... ;)

    Just don't miss work like I did... (long story)

    Lot of lowend based hosts pay shit or don't pay at all. It's not greed, it's just the only real way to remain sustainable long term. Lot of these companies do no planning what so ever so when extra help is needed they can't realistically afford to pay. That's why most have one or two paid employees and then either outsource to India or share teen employees with other companies. (Kind of like how Rallias and others work for several companies under alliases).

    The low-end industry, from an employee's point of view, is only good to get enough experience so that you can dump it for a regular M-F 9AM - 5PM type job. Clock in, work, then clock out. You don't have to worry about work until the next day. It's quite nice ;)

    EDIT: Not knocking BlueVM, just knocking the lowend industry as a whole. There may be a few exceptions, but generally speaking, it's not the best industry for fair compensation for the amount of hours worked and as companies grow, their staff does not grow proportionally to accommodate more customers.
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  16. Francisco

    Francisco Company Lube Verified Provider

    May 15, 2013
    Volunteers are an easy way to get to the 100+ years of experience!

    The only volunteers we have are on IRC. Anyone with access to anything important is on payroll.

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  17. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

    May 13, 2013
    MannDude being all funny and talking about people getting paid for work.. hahaha next thing he'll want unionization for wage slaves.

    Lowend is all about scale and beating the staff with that scale.  

    Meh, I expect better out of the big names in the segment.  Call me silly.  If you own something, I expect dedication and never ending hours. Beyond that, other humans / workers need resources for their life.  Unreasonable to think otherwise, unless they live at home with mommy and daddy and have like 16 years of breathing experience.
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  18. ChrisM

    ChrisM Cocktail Enthusiast Verified Provider

    Apr 2, 2013
    You worked long hours for me when I owned URPad and I am thankful for that. Which I tried my best to compensate with Vegas trips and Tropical vacations. 
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  19. trewq

    trewq Active Member Verified Provider

    May 15, 2013
    It's sad that people think their time is worth nothing.
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  20. Francisco

    Francisco Company Lube Verified Provider

    May 15, 2013
    I don't think he's knocking you on that, but I think we can both agree on what he's saying.

    When you're only making $100/month profit per node (many aren't doing that), you're talking about having to have

    a lot of nodes to have some bank roll, cover some sort of wages, & cover yourself.

    It's the crutch of the budget markets. Burstnet is going through a rough patch right now with having to raise some

    prices as well as the whole Dallas crap. I'm sure if they weren't charging pennies for bandwidth that they would

    have simply eaten the price hike (assuming the Dallas issue was a billing dispute) and just renegotiated later.

    I'm all for giving a good deal to the customer but where is a provider going to have their OHSHIT fund?

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