Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
You need better role models, kid.
Child labor in the low end segment
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DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
(credit for giving me this SingleHop link goes to DrMike)
http://www.thewhir.com/web-hosting-news/singlehop-commits-to-un-global-compact-on-ethical-business-practices
RackSpace requires that all of its suppliers agree to a "human rights code of conduct" and agree not to hire children "under the age of 16 or the minimum compulsory age for completion of education, whichever is greater".
https://responsibility.rackspace.com/sites/default/files/Supplier_Code_of_Conduct.pdf
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It wasn't aimed directly at you, it applies to many.
Step 1: Buy a domain name.
Step 2: Buy a cheap oversold VPS or reseller account.
Step 3: Install WHMCS
Step 4: Tell friends at school you started your own company and are a CEO.
Step 5: How do I work this thing?
That's the process for many, not all. I don't know you personally so it's not directed at you particularly.
1.) Okay, that may have been partially directed towards you. You're on WHT claiming to be pulling in mid 6 figures a year, going on 7 figures by the end of this year. That's bullshit. Come on man. You couldn't even afford to take care of your first batch of shared/reseller hosting customers and sold them. Reading threads over there now, it seems to be the same case again.
2.) Age does matter, as a minor can't enter a contract legally, correct? (I may be wrong actually, but I do not believe I am) Not that anyone seems to actually enforce NDAs, non-competes or any other contracts in this industry anyway.
3.) I remember when I turned 16 years old. My father asked me, "Do you want a car?" I told him "Yeah!" You know what he said? "Get a job, then." And I did. I worked at Subway as a teenager, later at a steak house and put flyers in mailboxes in my neighborhood advertising that I would mow yards for $15. That's work. Sweating your ass off in a steak house for $5.50/HR after school was work. Taking a break from playing Minecraft to consult with your VP of Operations / Counter Strike teammate to assign some new IPs to a VM isn't work and doesn't help develop a strong work ethic.
Saving what you earn while your cost of living is zero is wise, and it's actually something I wish I had done more of when I was younger but I enjoyed having fun when not going to school or working so my money went towards that. But I'm happy to report today that I learned the value of a dollar the old fashion way, by working hard for it.
EDIT: It should be noted that I am not saying I don't think people under the age of 18 shouldn't work in the industry. Obviously there is some talent out there and some very capable kids. All I'm trying to say that for every talented one, there is 10 who don't know what the fuck they're doing and don't need to be near personal data. Working in the industry while still a student has it's own complications.
If you're young, enjoy being young. Go smash some bottles in a parking lot. Go get drunk at your friend's property in the country around a fire. Go chase after some girls and do teenager stuff. Go socialize, in person, face to face with others. (Kidding about the illegal stuff... just go be a teenager)
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GVH-Jon
Banned
I hardly get to enjoy my age. I voluntarily chose to focus everything that I do to improve upon my future. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't smash bottles in parking lots ... I don't go speeding at 100mph on the highway, none of that. I do socialize with people ... I'm not a loner, but honestly I'm going to tell you right now that I work my ass off day in and day out in everything that I do.
I'm sorry I just take things too personal and emotional when it comes to people underestimating or judging others by their age and nothing else without actually knowing them.
I'm sorry I just take things too personal and emotional when it comes to people underestimating or judging others by their age and nothing else without actually knowing them.
I claimed to be pulling near mid 6-figures, not mid 6 figures. I said 7 figures by the end of *2016*. It's not a matter of whether or not you CAN do something, it's a matter of whether or not what is best for the sake of business allows it.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
I think it's easy to make a case against you exceeding hourly limits per week, not being compensated by law at minimum wage, working during school hours, etc. You really should keep a lower profile and stay out of the path of heavy traffic.
Last time I snooped the corporate documents in Illinois, the company is Lance's, being the non minor, he's responsible for all this. Your parents are responsible/liable also. Not good / cool.
I probably can find multiple things, and in public that would make your school district head administrator punch his/her door.
If I didn't call you out like this, the IRC symphony would complain and whine about some conspiracy.
Fact is, while GVH is still floating, it isn't witout lots of rule breaking and disregard for regulations/laws/etc.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
What do you want, an award for being "straight edge"? Vast majority of people never engage in said behaviors...
100MPH on the highway? All I can say, is WTF is Lance in Court for like the 12th time for Traffic violations? Speed much? No, I didn't peek, because Lance is like Casper the incorporation ghost.
01:26AM <--- you see that? What time is school in the morning? Where do you find time to sleep? You run ads here, so clearly, have a commercial interest/job/work here... Prima facia evidence of the labor law breaking. Think man, think.
I work my ass off day in and day out in everything that I do. - clearly a child labor problem. Will we find slumping academics? Discipline problems in the school? Parents that tell your ass to get to bed at 10PM? It's clear, the NH regulations don't allow for such whether you like it or not. Pushing the matter in public is only going to get you slapped, and then I'll say, "I TOLD YOU SO".
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drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
The minimum age at play is 18. It's like that in most civilized countries, including the UK and Australia which have come up on the threads. Even if you are a high school drop out, the regulations still apply. Ditto for those in trade schools, colleges, etc.
I might not think this system covers every situation, butsurely one can file for exemptions or simply become an emancipated minor.
It's not cute seeing the aforementioned in his youtful idealism at 1:30 IN THE MORNING defending self exploitation of himself.
I'll ask it, where are the parents? Not just his, but many of these kids? Saying these kids are safe in their room playing business is a total lie.
Let's think of bigger picture issues at play here...
DMCA letters, who is the legal agent?
Subpoenas, does a minor respond?
Child pornography on the server - do we have a child in possession of child pornography as a result?
Frankly, it's not even adequate to have mom sign the incorporation like one young lad has done. If the signature to the incorporation isn't actively involved and overseeing the youth, the youth is running amuck and exposed to all sorts of stuff and would be indefensible in a Court of Law outside of outright perjuring oneself with fictionalized involvement.
6 figures doesn't mean you don't spend 6 figures or more just to get that.
I'll be more impressed if you knew what BIPGAEI meant.
I'll be more impressed if you knew what BIPGAEI meant.
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drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
This thread is one that keeps giving the more I read
BahahahFabozzi has a sock in his mouth.
You have a man-boy crush on Chris, admit it.
You think CC wants more bad coverage when they are trying to buy their spot on INC 5000 self inclusion paid list? Do you think with IPV4 run down that they haven't timed the relocation to Downtown Buffa-ho to maximize posturing? I mean they just updated their existing location and had grand opening there this year. Offices there are big enough to handle 5 more people.
I'm in the Verified Provider group here. - We really need to think long and hard about the youth issue and allowing people into said group. It is a defacto endoresement of trust to end viewers and presumed something worthwhile happened to sort these providers from the unverified pile. Let us make this credential really mean something.
Cool story, bro. When can I look forward to your staff flogging?
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Evil kaniini, flogging of minors, the poor child labor workers. Sounds like some artifact of slavery.
Squeeky wheel getting greased on this thread.
In other news..
This depends entirely on the country in which you live/operate. As someone else mentioned (I forget who) the cost of living and the laws regarding child laboUr are vastly different. In a modern, civilised society it is deemed unacceptable to have a child (again, interpretation) working and earning money. In not so modern and not so civilised (inter..you get the drift) it doesn't matter quite so much to those concerned.
I sometimes have children helping out.. and by that I mean either my own or friends kids who are showing an interest and want to. They get a bit of pocket money for doing it and everyone's happy. They are by no means being forced to do anything or indeed doing anything that's mission critical.
I would agree, however, that teenyboppers running around calling themselves CEO, COO, CTO, GTFO, WTFLOL etc are idiots. They lack the understanding to know what an 'officer' in that regard is never mind being one.
This depends entirely on the country in which you live/operate. As someone else mentioned (I forget who) the cost of living and the laws regarding child laboUr are vastly different. In a modern, civilised society it is deemed unacceptable to have a child (again, interpretation) working and earning money. In not so modern and not so civilised (inter..you get the drift) it doesn't matter quite so much to those concerned.
I sometimes have children helping out.. and by that I mean either my own or friends kids who are showing an interest and want to. They get a bit of pocket money for doing it and everyone's happy. They are by no means being forced to do anything or indeed doing anything that's mission critical.
I would agree, however, that teenyboppers running around calling themselves CEO, COO, CTO, GTFO, WTFLOL etc are idiots. They lack the understanding to know what an 'officer' in that regard is never mind being one.
Well that's another thing that is foreign to me with these kids. When I was 16 I didn't even really want to do work, I wanted to fuck around instead.
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Dylan
Active Member
Huahuehuahue
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
All the regulations encourage mentoring and apprenticeships with proper paper work in place and permission where such minors are working regularly. Your own children are somewhat exempt within limits. If the neighborhood geek spends an hour now and then randomly aside you learning, that's alright and outside of the regulations. Start setting hours/shifts/whatver for the lad, gets into that problem area.
All work environments I've been in disallow minors except in very limited time/reasoning. We never accept them for summer internships either. The 18 years of age bottom line isn't really one that inflicts hardship to nearly anyone. If we found a parentless youth in a poverty situation and who was trying to get on with life, we might go ahead with such internship/trial situation but highly conditional upon other education participation and with some form of contract in place. Doing such would be a PITA and we'd likely refer such to our legal advisors for help in that and other matters.
I never have found mixing youngsters with the adults in work environments as being a good one. Lots of quirky, sometimes just awkward adults that send weird signals to everyone, let alone a minor. Especially when you are speaking of technology...
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BrianHarrison
Member
Exploiting child labor is appalling and unnecessary. If ones business model hinges upon the use of cheap child labor, then (aside from being morally wrong) that is a business model that will fail.