Colocation With Dedicated line?

[Mun]

I am looking for a colocation somewhere on the west coast for a game server. I need a dedicated line and wont have worries about the occasion DDOS which is just null once you get to certain threshold and don't worry about me, leave for 12 hours then un-null. If anyone knows of a provider like that please let me know.

Mun

 

[maounique]

Voxility does exactly that donno if it is valid in LA too, though.

http://www.voxility.com/shop/colocation

http://www.voxility.com/info/why/network

It might not be so cheap though.

 

[nunim]

I am looking for a colocation somewhere on the west coast for a game server. I need a dedicated line and wont have worries about the occasion DDOS which is just null once you get to certain threshold and don't worry about me, leave for 12 hours then un-null. If anyone knows of a provider like that please let me know.

Mun

Why do you need a dedicated port for a game server?  They typically don't use much bandwidth.

 

[maounique]

I believe he was kicked a few times due to DDoSes. If the DC autonulls it and lets him be, then it is ok since he doesnt hinder anyone else.

 

[HalfEatenPie]

Why do you need a dedicated port for a game server?  They typically don't use much bandwidth.

He runs a pretty big game servers that requires TONS of bandwidth (we're talking multiple TBs per month) in addition to a few other projects which rack up a ton of bandwidth. 

Trust me, if he didn't need a dedicated port he wouldn't be asking for a dedicated port  

 

[VPSCorey]

Think he's really looking for a his own circuit.  If a provider gave him an entire gig worth of bw he'd still be subject to DDOS attacks and nulling.  If he has his own circuit he'd still get DDOS attacks, but would just be down for the count.

However a dedicated 1g circuit can cost 1500+ dollars depending on the provider.

 

[AlexBarakov]

Why don't you just go with a provider that specialises in DDoS protection? Plenty of those on the west coast.

Also, having a dedicated gigE port wouldn't really help, as the recent DDoS attacks are much bigger than that, at least in my experience. And I am pretty sure that most providers would actually null you in case of DDOS, not kick you.

 

[Mun]

I believe he was kicked a few times due to DDoSes. If the DC autonulls it and lets him be, then it is ok since he doesnt hinder anyone else.

Exactly this, if I have a dedicated 100mbps (from what I have heard from some providers) I am in theroy on my own line that can't effect other users (as much). The point is that I will take anything about a 20mbps line that allows me be null routed in the case of a DDOS, but will not cause me to get kicked out.

DDOS protection is a mixed beast. I see larger ping spikes and generally more downtime with my DDOS protected server then mine without. So the simple basis is, DDOS protection is great, but I got DDOS'd twice in 2 years. (3 if you count the small 40mbps last night). In any case I don't mind being nulled, I just dont want to get kicked out again for the simple fact of "you took down our whole network"...

Mun

 

[Mun]

Why don't you just go with a provider that specialises in DDoS protection? Plenty of those on the west coast.

Also, having a dedicated gigE port wouldn't really help, as the recent DDoS attacks are much bigger than that, at least in my experience. And I am pretty sure that most providers would actually null you in case of DDOS, not kick you.

Most providers I have talked to say "we will kick you out" and thus why this thread.

Mun

 

[Jack]

According to multiple people in IRC, Choopa on the east coast don't care about attacks. That's why many Minecraft hosts use them.

 

[manacit]

A dedicated line won't stop a provider from getting mad at you when you get hit with a DDoS - it still hits the rest of their network until you're nulled, and will negatively impact their other customers. You're better off getting *good* DDoS protection from a provider that does it in house, so there's no added latency. 

The problem with the majority of the DDoS protection in the lowend sector is that it's backhauled (usually to CNServers) which can add 50+ms of latency at the very least (ServerCrate, for example, used CNServers in Portland for their Dallas servers). 

@HalfEatenPie: I would hardly call his gaming servers a big operation, "TBs" of bandwidth a month are hardly anything, certainly not warranting a dedicated line. 

 

[Mun]

A dedicated line won't stop a provider from getting mad at you when you get hit with a DDoS - it still hits the rest of their network until you're nulled, and will negatively impact their other customers. You're better off getting *good* DDoS protection from a provider that does it in house, so there's no added latency. 

The problem with the majority of the DDoS protection in the lowend sector is that it's backhauled (usually to CNServers) which can add 50+ms of latency at the very least (ServerCrate, for example, used CNServers in Portland for their Dallas servers). 

@HalfEatenPie: I would hardly call his gaming servers a big operation, "TBs" of bandwidth a month are hardly anything, certainly not warranting a dedicated line. 

You are correct on the dedicated line, it just means I am not an issue for a 150mbps attack effecting a rack, instead I am at issue for 21 Gbps attacking a DC, which yes they will still yell at you for.

The main goal is to find a friendly provider whom will not kick me out, but instead null the affected IP over and over again if need be.

To say that you know how much bandwidth I use though is frankly a Lie Manacit, you are just  being your normal less then stellar self claiming everyone as "below" you and not knowing what your royal highness knows. When I say I need a dedicated 20mbps line, I am actually serious. 100Mbps, however was the lowest I knew a dedicated line could be, and in this case it is at he.net and they give you access so that you can null your own IP.

Mun

 

[Aldryic C'boas]

I've got nothing but good things to say about FiberHub.

 

[NodeBytes]

You are correct on the dedicated line, it just means I am not an issue for a 150mbps attack effecting a rack, instead I am at issue for 21 Gbps attacking a DC, which yes they will still yell at you for.

Some providers have better relationships with their upstream so they can get the ip nulled upstream before it hits the DC. This is much much more rare, but worth looking in to.

 

[Mun]

Some providers have better relationships with their upstream so they can get the ip nulled upstream before it hits the DC. This is much much more rare, but worth looking in to.

Pretty much what I need saddly.

People have been throwing around, why not get DDOS protection, this simple answer is that I get more problems with DDOS protection then just running naked and hoping that I don't get attacked. As such it would be better just to live with a null then try and get more DDOS protection.

Mun

 

[concerto49]

You are correct on the dedicated line, it just means I am not an issue for a 150mbps attack effecting a rack, instead I am at issue for 21 Gbps attacking a DC, which yes they will still yell at you for.

The main goal is to find a friendly provider whom will not kick me out, but instead null the affected IP over and over again if need be.

To say that you know how much bandwidth I use though is frankly a Lie Manacit, you are just  being your normal less then stellar self claiming everyone as "below" you and not knowing what your royal highness knows. When I say I need a dedicated 20mbps line, I am actually serious. 100Mbps, however was the lowest I knew a dedicated line could be, and in this case it is at he.net and they give you access so that you can null your own IP.

Mun

150mbps attack won't cause issues on a rack I hope. You really just need racks that are connected with 10G+ upstream etc so there's enough room to handle it. It's quite pointless to have dedicated lines otherwise since it just doesn't benefit others.

 

[manacit]

You are correct on the dedicated line, it just means I am not an issue for a 150mbps attack effecting a rack, instead I am at issue for 21 Gbps attacking a DC, which yes they will still yell at you for.

The main goal is to find a friendly provider whom will not kick me out, but instead null the affected IP over and over again if need be.

To say that you know how much bandwidth I use though is frankly a Lie Manacit, you are just  being your normal less then stellar self claiming everyone as "below" you and not knowing what your royal highness knows. When I say I need a dedicated 20mbps line, I am actually serious. 100Mbps, however was the lowest I knew a dedicated line could be, and in this case it is at he.net and they give you access so that you can null your own IP.

Mun

Damn son, calm down, I'm trying to help. Chill. 

If you go out and look for a gigabit dedicated line, you're going to pay a fuckton of money, and it won't get you what you want. 

A "dedicated" 20mb line (which, btw, is not as small as they go, you can get a "dedicated" 10mb line) would get you 6TB in each direction per month. That's not that much bandwidth! On the other hand, a dedicated gigabit line would get you 320TB in each direction, which is likely more than you need (based on the typical usage of a gaming server, which doesn't require a supremely large amount of bandwidth). I'm just worried you're misunderstanding what exactly a dedicated line means.

What I think you really need, as others have said, is a host with a large enough upstream and filtering capacity that they can take a 150mbit "ddos" (which really isn't that much! You can clear that on a gigabit line no problem!) long enough for you to null, and possibly larger ones with the same ability. Getting a "dedicated"  line brought in isn't that. Unless you're announcing your own addresses and have a lot of bandwidth brought to your own rack, you're still going to get shit from the DC when you take a large DDoS, and you're going to need to rely on their ability to null, whether that be automatically or at your request. 

But hey, don't listen to me, go spend $1500+ on a dedicated gigabit and still get in trouble when you get a DDoS, be my guest! 

 

[yolo]

Have you looked at greenvalue host? I know he has 100TB for $5, maybe that would be good. 

 

[NodeBytes]

150mbps attack won't cause issues on a rack I hope. You really just need racks that are connected with 10G+ upstream etc so there's enough room to handle it. It's quite pointless to have dedicated lines otherwise since it just doesn't benefit others.

His point isn't that he gets hit with 150mbps DDOS attacks, he gets hit with 20+ Gbit attacks at times.

 

[Aldryic C'boas]

Have you looked at greenvalue host? I know he has 100TB for $5, maybe that would be good. 

Everyone has been looking at GVH lately - and not in a positive way in the slightest.  Or did you miss