"Hack Forums" Hosts
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I'm not even sure what to think about this thread - it should be a no brainer. If you're going to advertise on HF, you're pretty much saying "We don't care where the users come from" and throwing up a red flag for anybody who even remotely takes the security of their server into account.
I mentioned how I myself was a HF host in the VPSBoard the IRC last week and a witchhunt ensued. A lot of people are ready to lynch HF host owners (with reason), though it clouds their judgement on the several legitimate hosts that advertise on HF.
Overall I'd rate offering hosting on HF as a positive experience. When I first joined, I offered free hosting from an OVH box for a couple months. This way I could learn how to manage cPanel and WHMCS and properly administrate a server. I learned how to diligently monitor resources and users (as OP said, there are many a dos.pl when you advertise on HF), which is a skill I may not have had otherwise. I also learned the proper ways to deal with DDoS attacks, because as you could imagine HF hosts are constantly berated with DDoS attacks from their competitors. The 12 year olds who opened eight tickets for me to set up a wordpress blog for their Minecraft server were great ways for me to get into the industry and work on my customer support skills It was a great learning experience, and I don't have any regrets.
I understand that it can hurts my credibility, but I think that at the end of the day if you offer a great and legitimate product you will attract a following regardless of where you advertise.
Overall I'd rate offering hosting on HF as a positive experience. When I first joined, I offered free hosting from an OVH box for a couple months. This way I could learn how to manage cPanel and WHMCS and properly administrate a server. I learned how to diligently monitor resources and users (as OP said, there are many a dos.pl when you advertise on HF), which is a skill I may not have had otherwise. I also learned the proper ways to deal with DDoS attacks, because as you could imagine HF hosts are constantly berated with DDoS attacks from their competitors. The 12 year olds who opened eight tickets for me to set up a wordpress blog for their Minecraft server were great ways for me to get into the industry and work on my customer support skills It was a great learning experience, and I don't have any regrets.
I understand that it can hurts my credibility, but I think that at the end of the day if you offer a great and legitimate product you will attract a following regardless of where you advertise.
ComputerTrophy
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It is bad PR if you think about it. What about those who initially used HF actively for whitehat purposes, yet do not use it other than to advertise (keeping in mind they also advertise everywhere else like WHT)? Would that still be bad for the company? Even if it's been up for a year (looking at you, Vmbox.co)?
I can't say I have ever advertised at HF, but I will say I see a little bit of where Kelvin is coming from. The term hacker has been misused quite a bit by the average person that people automatically assume hacking means black hat. I can't say I know too much about the activity of HF, but within most IT departments you will find people that refer themselves as hackers and refer to criminals as crackers. It is important to understand that there is legitimate hacking and hack doesn't really mean what people have come to coin it as.
jarland
The ocean is digital
HF isn't just a community. It exists purely for abuse and, to be as kind as I can be, questionably legal activity. It's not a call of duty forum where you have a mix of skids and cool people. It's HACK forums. The word HACK isn't just a cute dictionary word, it defines the site just like it was intended to.
People grow up and they can admit their mistakes going forward, but if you stand by marketing there I stand by calling you a skid host and you can do with that what you want.
If you were a knife dealer who wanted to get started by approaching and actively seeking to grow your business with street gangs, why would you expect me to call you legit? Sure the example is more extreme, but is the logic not equivalent?
People grow up and they can admit their mistakes going forward, but if you stand by marketing there I stand by calling you a skid host and you can do with that what you want.
If you were a knife dealer who wanted to get started by approaching and actively seeking to grow your business with street gangs, why would you expect me to call you legit? Sure the example is more extreme, but is the logic not equivalent?
jarland
The ocean is digital
I've spent some time there. It's about two things:
1. Black hat
2. Piracy
That's HF in a nutshell.
jarland
The ocean is digital
Why would you go to HF for white hat and end up thinking, after observing the dominant culture, think there was any reason to advertise there other than to make a buck at any cost?
I literally got every bit of that experience without HF. In a relatively short time frame too. I mean you can learn self defense by punching a guy but that doesn't mean it's the best way to get started.
You and I both know that statements holds 0 weight. I've browsed the site plenty of times. It isn't hard to get into without registering. It's mostly about piracy and booters.
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For the longest time I could never visit the site, as it'd just prompt me with some white page and an error message from any VPN I used. I've got no interest in participating there, mind you, and don't wish to connect via my home IP. The entire site seems like a honey pot to me anyway.
Though within the past two or three weeks I was able to connect and register to follow up on a lead that a person of interest in the industry that works for a company we all know and love has been there looking for booters, hacked RDP accounts, etc. He's since changed his name several times but I still lurk his activity. Damn kids.
I'm sure there are some good folks there, but it does seem to attract a certain 'type' of individual. Even if they're there just for the 'lulz', it's safe to assume that these are the same folks who may test things out that they're not certain what exactly it does and compromise your or someone elses server.
Not going to call names out, but think in recent history of people we all know who used SlowLoris to flood another site ("testing it"), someone else who used a published exploit to "test" on other providers who caused a lot of headache for another reputable provider that participates here, etc. Curiosity is a great thing, but not when it has a negative impact on services provided to other paying customers or to other companies or individuals.
There are also certain providers and datacenters I won't use, for similar but unrelated reasons. I don't like being in a bad neighborhood of clients. Some providers could care less what their clients do so long as they continue to get that monthly $3 or whatever. I don't want to share a node or IP range with some of those folks.
Though within the past two or three weeks I was able to connect and register to follow up on a lead that a person of interest in the industry that works for a company we all know and love has been there looking for booters, hacked RDP accounts, etc. He's since changed his name several times but I still lurk his activity. Damn kids.
I'm sure there are some good folks there, but it does seem to attract a certain 'type' of individual. Even if they're there just for the 'lulz', it's safe to assume that these are the same folks who may test things out that they're not certain what exactly it does and compromise your or someone elses server.
Not going to call names out, but think in recent history of people we all know who used SlowLoris to flood another site ("testing it"), someone else who used a published exploit to "test" on other providers who caused a lot of headache for another reputable provider that participates here, etc. Curiosity is a great thing, but not when it has a negative impact on services provided to other paying customers or to other companies or individuals.
There are also certain providers and datacenters I won't use, for similar but unrelated reasons. I don't like being in a bad neighborhood of clients. Some providers could care less what their clients do so long as they continue to get that monthly $3 or whatever. I don't want to share a node or IP range with some of those folks.
ComputerTrophy
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What if those clients are running Minecraft servers? Judge by the person's background, or who they are?
That's fine. I'm just saying if I wanted to attract Minecraft clients, I'd be active on Minecraft related forums or gameserver forums.
I understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure there are some great folks who just get rounded up and judged because of others.
Oh hi 14 year old Kelvin.
Thanks for bringing my name up here and spreading lies without proof. Much appreciated.
I have some fun screenshots of you asking for help with your http botnets, RAT's, DDoS tools and offering your website hacking services out publicly on HF, if you would like me to post them? I also remember I used to host you and you was suspended for malware and hosting porn sites with underage looking girls, remember? Just before you sold you clients and shut down your old host was it?
I urge you to stay away from me and don't post about my business again.
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switsys
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Did he really do all those things ?
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Here is the kicker, @VMBox is also known as NozHost. Maybe we need to remind him of how he was caught DDoS other hosts.
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