Incero Review - AVOID

[drmike]

So Corexchange house blend is stepping down some (i.e. Cogent + HE)...Growl.

nLayer is just going through some odd sales phase.  Everyone is picking them up now .  Zayo/Above is real good too interesting addition.

Agree about the Corexchange blend being better when mostly Above.net.

Thanks to @gordonrp for sticking around here and clarifying things.  Incero continues to get mentioned all the time for consideration, or folks using them already.  Nice to see busy providers like this gracing us with the presence.

 

[RyanD]

Sorry, but you don't know anything about anything apparently. Nor do you know anything about the massive problems with nlayer recently. I confirmed the problems with Clint @ ubiquity and a few others who reached out to me and confirmed they had issues too.

http://d.pr/i/cRL4/1MMWdxJG  <--- South to N.E. backbone down, routes didn't auto update for several hours. 4 hour outage.

http://d.pr/i/cqgc/45lHEJwF  <--- packets through our 20gig link blamed to be the cause of problems across their west coast network. If any one single 20gig customer can supposedly impact their entire network then what is it, a bunch of tin cans and string? In reality what I believe happened was nlayer doesn't filter any of their customer ports for permitted announcements. This summer an chinese gang has been working to build a large ddos network to attack various sites in China. Nlayer is the shortest route to china for most providers out of the US. Most high bandwidth providers use nlayer. Thus nlayer has a mass of pps attacks that were hard for them to see on their traffic management applications and resulted in a few weeks/months of performance degradation.

 

So I counter your comment about you calling me incompetent when you really don't know jack with:

nLayer uses standard IRR objects for prefix filters, so yes they do filter announcements.

 

[gordonrp]

nLayer uses standard IRR objects for prefix filters, so yes they do filter announcements.

Considering you run some colo space, I would think you know better than to make all assuming comments? We're talking about sending traffic, not announcing spaces.

EDIT: I see in my original post i put "for" instead of "against", I've updated that now.

" In reality what I believe happened was nlayer doesn't filter any of their customer ports AGAINST permitted announcements (EDIT: OUTBOUND TRAFFIC/AKA SPOOFED TRAFFIC)."

No filters in place by Nlayer for outbound traffic (we've since added rpf to each customer vlan)

http://d.pr/i/rdmA/4IxEfyeX

 

[gordonrp]

So Corexchange house blend is stepping down some (i.e. Cogent + HE)...Growl.

nLayer is just going through some odd sales phase.  Everyone is picking them up now .  Zayo/Above is real good too interesting addition.

Agree about the Corexchange blend being better when mostly Above.net.

Indeed, we've had a few battles with them behind the scenes, but ultimately things are "OK" when they used to be "GREAT" with their mix. Hence bringing in our own providers. In essence they buy at lower commits so once their "spare" bandwidth from their original operations ran out they started altering the mix with other carriers.

 

[gordonrp]

Thanks to @gordonrp for sticking around here and clarifying things.  Incero continues to get mentioned all the time for consideration, or folks using them already.  Nice to see busy providers like this gracing us with the presence.

Thanks. Just wanted to set straight any misconceptions, as the Internet is always full of rumors (and very few people ever get in touch to clarify things, they'll just believe what they read on forums or through the grapevine).

 

[imperio]

Oh dear, let me help here.  

Our 40gig (2x 20gig via diverse sides and paths around Dallas) ZAYO/ABOVE.NET link is currently deploying and scheduled to turn up for customers on Sept 1st, bringing us to 80GIG. Then we will without a doubt have the best network offering out of most every provider in Dallas.

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Gordon

Gordon,

How about softlayer dallas and internap dallas upstream provider quality compares to yours ?

 

[Patrick]

[26/10/2012 22:11:41] StormVZ Sales: Do you provide ipv6?

[26/10/2012 22:11:52] Incero: we're about to roll it out next week

[26/10/2012 22:11:56] Incero: our network is ready

 

 

Got this up from last year yet or still telling fibs to your customers?

 

[HalfEatenPie]

Thanks gordonrp for all these awesome clarifications! 

I mean besides for my Catalyst affiliations aside I do use Incero's network for a ton of my personal projects.  I believe Shovenose understood his mistakes later on.  He can't really comment right now though because he's banned (he requested it).  

 

[gordonrp]

[26/10/2012 22:11:41] StormVZ Sales: Do you provide ipv6?

[26/10/2012 22:11:52] Incero: we're about to roll it out next week

[26/10/2012 22:11:56] Incero: our network is ready

 

 

Got this up from last year yet or still telling fibs to your customers?

Hi Iniz,

Open a ticket and pay the $199 setup fee then you have your free/month IPV6, our network and IPV6 block has indeed been ready since our chat. I don't believe you ever got back in touch? If you want to wait for the self service free IPV6 rollout you may need to wait a little bit longer as it's just not a priority for our devs right now.

Right now we see less than 8gbit/sec of ipv6 traffic on the AMSIX:

http://d.pr/i/UcIc/4pk4IBqH

Compared to 2,000gbit/second for IPV4:

http://d.pr/i/hSHy/XgqMvMWW

So when IPV6 accounts for more than 0.4% of Internet traffic, then I'll start spending more than 0.4% of my time thinking about automating it. Until then we can manually carve your allocation, to date no-one has taken us up on the offer.

IPV6 has been ready since 8/14/2012.

Net Range: 2604:880:: - 2604:880:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF CIDR: 2604:880::/32 (Direct Allocation) Origin AS: AS174
AS13354 Net Name: INCERO-LLC Net Handle: NET6-2604-880-1 Parent: NET6-2600-1 Public Comments: http://www.Incero.com Registered Date: 08-14-2012 15:14:49 Last Modified Date: 08-14-2012 15:14:49 RPKI Certified: No

Cheers,

Gordon

 

[yolo]

So when IPV6 accounts for more than 0.4% of Internet traffic, then I'll start spending more than 0.4% of my time thinking about automating it. 

Maybe you should spend more of the 96.6% of the time actually knowing your facts about ipv6 adoption and not base all you 'knowledge' on one website.

https://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=ipv6-adoption - 2.49% of the users accessing google.com use ipv6

http://www.akamai.com/ipv6 - Over 300,000 hits per second on an ipv6 address

http://6lab.cisco.com/stats/ - Over 6% of home users have ipv6 in Amerca

I can get you many more links if you would like!

 

[Awmusic12635]

Maybe you should spend more of the 96.6% of the time actually knowing your facts about ipv6 adoption and not base all you 'knowledge' on one website.

https://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=ipv6-adoption - 2.49% of the users accessing google.com use ipv6

http://www.akamai.com/ipv6 - Over 300,000 hits per second on an ipv6 address

http://6lab.cisco.com/stats/ - Over 6% of home users have ipv6 in Amerca

I can get you many more links if you would like!

Little late on the reply especially when they are just about to offer IPV6....

 

[Damian]

I can get you many more links if you would like!

Yes, please get me stats on how many end users have IPv6 only, with no possibility of IPv4 at all.

 

[jarland]

Maybe you should spend more of the 96.6% of the time actually knowing your facts about ipv6 adoption and not base all you 'knowledge' on one website.

https://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=ipv6-adoption - 2.49% of the users accessing google.com use ipv6

http://www.akamai.com/ipv6 - Over 300,000 hits per second on an ipv6 address

http://6lab.cisco.com/stats/ - Over 6% of home users have ipv6 in Amerca

I can get you many more links if you would like!

You do realize that a lot can change between August and February right...

 

[DomainBop]

You do realize that a lot can change between August and February right...

Change is the only constant in life.  Thought to ponder: if something is a constant does that mean it never changes?

 

[HostingAbove]

Thanks @gordonrp for stepping in.. Seems there was quite the gang in this thread from earlier on. Regardless, glad to see the client was refunded and the service was resold (i'm assuming from their aggressive WHT promotions). I have not used Incero personally, but from the response times I could see from Gordon himself and his team, they are quite happy to help where they can while still being classed as an "un-managed provider". OP, may I ask who the new provider is that you have joined?

^TG

 

[blergh]

 I have not used Incero personally

 

[Wintereise]

Thanks @gordonrp for stepping in.. Seems there was quite the gang in this thread from earlier on. Regardless, glad to see the client was refunded and the service was resold (i'm assuming from their aggressive WHT promotions). I have not used Incero personally, but from the response times I could see from Gordon himself and his team, they are quite happy to help where they can while still being classed as an "un-managed provider". OP, may I ask who the new provider is that you have joined?

^TG

Completely useless, WHT-style replies are probably not going to fly very well here. Most members try to actively avoid them, and I believe that was half the reason the board was even created.

Just my 2c.

 

[Virtovo]

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[Amitz]

Oh please. Not those useless WHT replies over here...

 

[HostingAbove]

Oh wow, sorry folks.. I'll try to be less formal in my future replies.. Didn't realize it hurt some of my audience members. All GOOD! 

I just giving the feedback to the OP that it looked like Gord and his team attempted to help him out.. especially with their swift response times.

^TG