PayPal Demands That Seafile Monitor Customers Uploaded Files

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  1. DomainBop

    DomainBop Dormant VPSB Pathogen

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    PayPal is apparently turning into big brother and demanded that Seafile monitor files that customers upload to its hosted Seafile service as a condition for accepting PayPal.  SeaFile refused and so PayPal will no longer be an option for Seafile services as of tomorrow June 19.


    The big question is will PayPal start demanding that other cloud storage providers like Dropbox and hosted OwnCloud, (or regular webhosts or openstack object storage providers for that matter) monitor their customer's files, or is this an isolated incident where some idiot at PayPal confused SeaCloud, a file storage/sync provider, with file sharing sites like YouTube ?


    +1 to Seafile for telling PayPal to go eff themselves.


    source: https://seafile.de/en/important-infos-about-app-seafile-de-and-licensing-purchases-through-our-web-shops/

     
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  2. HalfEatenPie

    HalfEatenPie The Irrational One Retired Staff

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    I don't know to be honest.  I know there's always two sides of the story and whatnot, but if this is true then this is absolutely ridiculous.  


    I'd be interested in hearing Paypal's reasoning behind it. 
     
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  3. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

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    Can't monitor stuff.  That's just immoral digging into crap and then viewing to confirm.


    Had to be about piracy.
     
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  4. RLT

    RLT Active Member

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    German illegal content USA illegal content or Dutch illegal content? Different things for each so what would it be? In Germany anything Nazi is usually illegal but fine in  the USA.
     
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  6. vampireJ

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    What is seafile and what is it known for / what is its reputation? ie is it like aws but for pirates?
     
  7. DomainBop

    DomainBop Dormant VPSB Pathogen

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    Seafile is file syncing/storage software (with features similar to Dropbox, Google Drive, or OwnCloud).  The software is offered in two versions: a free community version (open source) and a paid Professional version (the Pro version of the software has a few more features and uses a proprietary license).    Seafile has end-to-end client side encryption and is generally considered much more secure than OwnCloud.


    Seafile is available as either self-hosted or SaaS (Seafile's SaaS service uses the pro version).  


    Prometeus uses the free open source version of the software to power their IWsea Cloud Storage product.  
     
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  8. DomainBop

    DomainBop Dormant VPSB Pathogen

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    In the words of Seafile's CEO in an interview with Fortune, it took a public outcry to get PayPal to realize their mistake :)

    I'm sure that she is wrong about PayPal just doing damage control because it looks like the 9 people on PayPal's board of directors include some very fine individuals who are noted for looking out for the interests of small business and the little guy.  Most importantly, PayPal's board includes an individual, Dave Dorman who is a noted fierce champion of privacy rights: 


    Upstanding Citizens on PayPal's Board of Directors:


    David W. Dorman (former CEO of AT&T, one of the first things he did as AT&T CEO was to enter into an illegal agreement to start secretly handing over customer metadata to the NSA around 2003-2004 which resulted in EFF filing a lawsuit, Hepting v. ATT, against ATT for violations of customer privacy in 2006)


    John J. Donahoe (former eBay CEO, during his 7 years at the helm he tried to change the company's focus from being a marketplace of small sellers to a marketplace where large retailers could unload their crap while small sellers were treated as second class citizens and got crapped on)


    Jonathan Christodoro, head of Icahn Capital (which has a long history of  buying stakes in companies and laying off tens of thousands of American workers.  On the plus side for movie lovers, Carl Icahn was one of the inspirations for the character Gordon Gecko)  


    David M. Moffett  (was CEO of secondary mortgage lender Freddie Mac when the mortgage crisis hit in 2008. Mom and Pop on Main Street got screwed during the housing crisis, and Dave's friends got bailed out)
     
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  9. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

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    4 reasons why I won't be using PayPal in the future.
     
  10. DomainBop

    DomainBop Dormant VPSB Pathogen

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    On the positive side their board also includes Pierre Omidyar who put up the initial $250 mill to start 501(c) FirstLookMedia/The Intercept 
     
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    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

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    Omidyar is far from a basket of good.  No soothing feeling from his name being on the positive side.