The 2016 (USA) Presidential Election Thread

Coastercraze

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Run from prison - just like Jim Trafficant did for his congress seat.

Sadly, no real good candidates atm. I'd rather take Trump over another Bush or Clinton.
 

drmike

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Run from prison - just like Jim Trafficant did for his congress seat.

Sadly, no real good candidates atm. I'd rather take Trump over another Bush or Clinton.
I still like Rand Paul.  

John Kasich isn't too bad either.  He'd pull swing states of Ohio and Pennsylvania which are needed for a Republican win.
 

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Anyone watching the debate(s)?
Unfortunately I had to miss the debate tonight.. Was working on a security camera system for a business. 

I will be catching up on the on the reviews and clips in a moment!
 

MannDude

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I got bored and made some Bernie Sanders propaganda images... but I used old man Abe Simpson quotes on them... haha.

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MannDude

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Well, it looks like Bernie is picking up some steam even though the media is still somehow trying to promote Hillarly. Trump today pledged to stick with the GOP and not go 3rd party if he doesn't get their nod and Ben Carson did pretty well in Iowa's polls (tied Trump).

Still a long ways away but it's been interesting watching this all unfold.

Are there any democrats other than Hillary and Bernie that has any real chance? Personally, both of them scare me, but hey. Seems like on the republican side of things the attention has been focused now on the Donald, Rand Paul and Ben Carson. Jeb Bush has made some media coverage but I think he's about to fizzle out of the picture soon.
 

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Are there any democrats other than Hillary and Bernie that has any real chance? 
I sure hope not.

Donald Trump is the way to go in my opinion, I've been following him every step of the way since he announced he was running. 
 
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MannDude

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@MannDude why does Bernie scare you?
Just doesn't align with most my views is all. I'm not against everything he's done of course, and he is a much better and more honest candidate than Hillary, but at this point in my life I am leaning more to the right than to the left.

I don't agree with everything the republicans have to offer either, but I agree with them on more points.
 
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@MannDude why does Bernie scare you?
His Socialist agenda and assumption that everyone deserves a "Free Ride". 

Is enough for me to not even consider him
Yes, the socialist agenda of strong labor rights, progressive taxation, social goods such as childcare, healthcare, and higher education.

Please expand on this "Free Ride." Are you referring to universal healthcare? A living wage? Free higher education? Public funding of elections?

@MannDude why does Bernie scare you?
Just doesn't align with most my views is all. I'm not against everything he's done of course, and he is a much better and more honest candidate than Hillary, but at this point in my life I am leaning more to the right than to the left.

I don't agree with everything the republicans have to offer either, but I agree with them on more points.
Fair enough @MannDude. For me personally, I can't support candidates that continue to refuse to acknowledge climate change, still push trickle down economics, disregard women's reproductive rights, and (I'm looking specifically at Huckabee here with his latest tweets) want a Christian theocracy.
 
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ChrisM

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@MannDude why does Bernie scare you?
His Socialist agenda and assumption that everyone deserves a "Free Ride". 

Is enough for me to not even consider him
Please expand on this "Free Ride." Are you referring to universal healthcare? A living wage? Free higher education? Public funding of elections?
All of the above. The "Living wage" is nothing but a joke to raise the cost to consumers and to hurt the corporations of this country. Fast food workers don't deserve the $8/hr they receive now let alone $15/hr for the little effort they put in.

"Free Higher Education" that is even a bigger joke then anything. If you don't put in the effort to earn your way you definitely will not put in the effort for a job.  
 
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MannDude

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Minimum wage I think is fine where it is. If you live in an expensive city like San Francisco I can understand the want to want a higher pay, which is why cities like that offer such things.

On my 18th birthday I moved out of my parent's house and into my own. I was working at a Ponderosa Steakhouse. I walked to work every morning about 2 or 3 miles through the woods to get from downtown to the 'hilltop' business district where the steakhouse was located. I think minimum wage then was $6.25 or something. I rented a house (small, not nice, but a house with a yard) and shared it with a friend.

In fact, I don't think my mother even makes $15/hr and she's had the same factory job for over 30 years now. I do know that at 25 years she was at $12.xx/hr, because I worked in the same factory as a temp-worker for a 90 day contract job and made more than her and most the people working there because the factory paid half my wage and the state of Indiana the rest. As a single parent and sole income provider of a household she was able to raise myself and my sisters without any direct government assistance. I certainly didn't have a privileged childhood at all and saw the struggle first hand. I think seeing her work hard contributed to my work ethic today. It's not fair that or right that a 15 year old working an afterschool job doing whatever should earn the same as someone like my mother who has over 30 years in at the same factory. When you raise the minimum wage, you're not offsetting the pay of workers who already earn more than that, you're just creating more people working for the minimum wage. You're just creating a larger lower class.

I never went to college. Why? Because I wanted to avoid debt. In High School I knew what I wanted to do and entering adulthood with massive college debt wasn't part of my plans. I wasn't a good enough student to get scholarships, wasn't a minority so couldn't get hand outs or take advantage of affirmative action, wasn't from a privileged background so couldn't pass the bill onto my parents and didn't want the debt for myself when I could just enter the work force and start living life. Living cheaply and within your means you can get by with ease, it's only when people start to try to 'keep up with the Joneses' that they fall behind.

This is just my experience though and opinion though. I've never been lucky enough to earn anything more than a mediocre wage but I've lived within my means and have lived pretty alright I think. I can't complain really. I've got a car that is paid for in full. It's not nice, but it runs, and I didn't go in debt over it. I have a nice little historic house with a yard that has cheap rent in a nice, safe, and historic small US town. I do not have any debt owed to any financial institutions. I am paying off a property purchase out of state and will soon be the official owner of beautiful 20 acres where I plan on building a home eventually. I also don't have and probably do not want children, at least not yet since I'm still shy of 30, so no additional cost there.

Unless you're going to college for a career that specifically requires a degree (Doctor, lawyer, etc) then I don't see the problem with just learning what you want to do by yourself, going to a trade school to learn a valuable and needed skilled trade or just doing whatever. I have no sympathy for someone who has $80,000 worth of college debt because they went to some expensive school and majored in things like Fine Arts, Liberal Arts, Philosophy, Graphic Design, Women's Studies, etc. Some of those are just interesting things to learn about, others are things you can learn yourself or can take much more affordable and practical specific courses in that doesn't require you to have a ton of other stupid filler classes to pass to get a degree.

Anyhow, I would like to see healthcare more affordable though. I'm a bit liberal in that regards since I've not had health, dental, or vision insurance for almost ten years. Medical costs in this country are insane. No one should go into debt or have to go bankrupt due to a medical emergency.
 
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MannDude

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America is better off with Obama than Trump lol
Well, he's going to be booted out of office in 2017 regardless of who replaces him. I lean more to the right on most things but can't say for certain I support anyone entirely just yet. I'll go vote when it's time to vote and as per usually it'll be for the lesser of the two evils. I like some of Trump's platform, and other parts of it I dislike. Same goes for other candidates. Some have some good stuff to say, some aspects I disagree with entirely.


I really wish 3rd party candidates got more coverage and limelight so they had a fighting chance. Would be nice to shake things up a bit.
 
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