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The 2016 (USA) Presidential Election Thread

drmike

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Anyhow, I would like to see healthcare more affordable though. I'm a bit liberal in that regards since I've not had health, dental, or vision insurance for almost ten years. Medical costs in this country are insane. No one should go into debt or have to go bankrupt due to a medical emergency.

May I enlighten you with this good option for healthcare and others should take note... This group and there are a few others do a Christian based approach.


Simply:  You pay fixed amount, so do others in the pool.  That pool pays the bills people rack up on healthcare.  


Rates are relatively low.  Haven't looked recently, but probably $150~ for a single young man.  Plans are Bronze $45, Silver $85, Gold $150.. and they have some additional annual catastrophic illness buy in.  The coverage meets the federal NAZI mandatory IRS bullied mandate garbage.


http://www.chministries.org/
 

MannDude

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I've got great health, dental, vision and life insurance now. I don't work in the hosting industry more and got a real job with actual benefits like a retirement account and even a health savings account that my employer puts in $1,000/yr to cover the out of pocket cost for things my insurance doesn't cover in full. :)
 

drmike

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I've got great health, dental, vision and life insurance now. I don't work in the hosting industry more and got a real job with actual benefits like a retirement account and even a health savings account that my employer puts in $1,000/yr to cover the out of pocket cost for things my insurance doesn't cover in full. :)

Yeah but you don't get a free VPS there :)  


... and you have to shower, put on clothes (can't work outside in your underwear), drive, etc. :)
 
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River

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Donald Trump Rally! For the sake of staying out of politics with a company tag I won't go into details but yes I will say he is even more awesome in person! 

That's awesome. I went to a Trump Rally about 30 minutes away here in NH and I couldn't get very close, although I did get 4th row seats.


I'm not really a fan of Trump though. I like him a lot better than Hillary and Bernie - Bernie is just too extreme and with no way to pay for his ideas they won't work and we'll be plunged into more debt (with my generation covering the tab!). Hillary is just a liar.


I've been a fan of John Kasich, I agree with him on the fiscal stuff and the social stuff he's decent on (recently making dumb comments but still better than a lot of them). Marco Rubio is good too, I'm putting bets on him getting the nomination with the GOP not really supporting Trump much.
 

drmike

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Sanders is alright for the 20-something idealistic set (the age when you have a bleeding heart - after that your heart gels and brain starts reasoning).  Sanders conceptually isn't too bad until he lines up entitlements.


Entitlements have to go for everyone I think.  Take them away from farmers, make the city folks pay more for food and in process will rid the aisles of stores from GMO frankenfoods.  Spend more = demand more quality.


Hillary is a Clinton and well, as good as times were under Bill's reign of terror, that's where the country got NAFTA'd and other trade shit that shipped crap abroad and enable behemoth buddies like Walmart (which has paid sHillary handily in the past).  We don't need another Bush or a Clintonista in the Whitehouse.


Trump is interesting reality TV. It's a circus and I enjoy that.   Lately it has been bouncing idiots out of the convention halls midspeech.   I want to see someone bumrush the stage and try cuckolding Trump.  He has Secret Service detail, he has own private security.   Someone is going face down to the floor in a violent ballet meets Kung Fu move.


What is neat about Trump, is that he is attracting this demographic of people that is more blue collar, more independent spirit, less entrenched moo-cow I vote the ticket Republi-con line voter.  Meaning he's bringing more voters to the party.  That's mandatory if the Republicans intend on winning at presidential vote ever again.  Means crossing the line and grabbing votes from non white voters, taking disgruntled Democrat voters over.  Independents also are more leaning towards Trump than anyone else I'd say, although Sanders will appeal to some.


Kasich is a good guy.  However, his time working on Wall Street is a bad story.  He couldn't manage anything related to that (Lehman Brothers was it?) during the last debate and he talked all over himself and damaged himself.  Trump is trouncing Kasich in his own state of Ohio where Kasich is governor.  Kasich will drop out very soon - two months tops I give him and only since we have this holiday lull without debates.


Actually enjoying the competition so far...  Waiting until parties pick who is paired to run though.... Democrats are way too thin on the field and Bernie isn't even a Democrat.. unsure WTF he's doing in the big D debates.
 

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I'm nobody's nationalist and don't really care about elections (I don't vote), but was reading a transcript of Vladimir Putin's speech at the final plenary meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club's XI session in Sochi on 24 October 2014, and thought this was a pretty remarkable thing for a politician to say:

We have entered a period of differing interpretations and deliberate silences in world politics. International law has been forced to retreat over and over by the onslaught of legal nihilism. Objectivity and justice have been sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. Arbitrary interpretations and biased assessments have replaced legal norms. At the same time, total control of the global mass media has made it possible when desired to portray white as black and black as white.


In a situation where you had domination by one country and its allies, or its satellites rather,

...in particular, to contextualize domination and control in terms of 'satellites'. I'm not sure I've ever heard a 'Western' politician approach the subject in such a way before. Maybe Mr. Trump will be the first.
 
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RosenHost

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As a non-US, I believe Obama is/was a great president for United States. Especially after two George W. Bush presidency terms.


Obama has been a progressive soft power leader. He managed to get US army out of IRAQ and Afghanistan (mostly). He did well against Putin, Russia and China. Many US patriots might think that, US lost control in Middle East and Far East Asia during his presidency. I do not believe that. With his financial measures, Russia is not as strong as it should be and China's economic miracle is already about to come to an end. What US should do is to keep together a strong economy, create jobs, produce in country and move towards a wellfare state. The capitalist is just too reckless in there I believe. Obama was a good guy to keep the balance, as far as I can see. So much debth in that economy of US. It should be fixed somehow.


I see the candidates. Trump sounds like a joke. I do not know much about Sanders but I hope Hillary gets the presidential seat and good old Willy can rule the USA once again, as her shadow.
 

AuroraZero

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As a non-US, I believe Obama is/was a great president for United States. Especially after two George W. Bush presidency terms.


Obama has been a progressive soft power leader. He managed to get US army out of IRAQ and Afghanistan (mostly). He did well against Putin, Russia and China. Many US patriots might think that, US lost control in Middle East and Far East Asia during his presidency. I do not believe that. With his financial measures, Russia is not as strong as it should be and China's economic miracle is already about to come to an end. What US should do is to keep together a strong economy, create jobs, produce in country and move towards a wellfare state. The capitalist is just too reckless in there I believe. Obama was a good guy to keep the balance, as far as I can see. So much debth in that economy of US. It should be fixed somehow.


I see the candidates. Trump sounds like a joke. I do not know much about Sanders but I hope Hillary gets the presidential seat and good old Willy can rule the USA once again, as her shadow.

This right here is the entire problem. I agree we never should have been in Iraq or Afghanistan, but if we go into some place level it. Screw pissing around with this bullshit we are doing. ISIS wants to run its mouth, and make boasts about what they are going to do, level the flippin country and be done with it. Quit wasting the money and time, to try to route them out, before long people will start handling their own shit and quit running to everyone else to solve their damned problems for them. 


Yeape we have debt and a shit ton of it is because of us sticking our noses into other countries. I say we stay home and work on our stuff, like we used back during WWI and WWII. Stop the illegals and crap, fix our own economy, homelessness, people without work, people living on less then average wages, etc..... Then maybe just maybe worry about our neighbors. 


As for Trump I think he has the right idea. Some one needs to speak up tell people how it is, and how it is going to be. We need some one with some back bone, and is not afraid to say,"Hell no you are not going to do that". It is about time some one told them bluntly and to their faces shut the hell up and clean up your act.
 

MannDude

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Time to give this thread the MannDude bump.


Good to see both anti-establishment candidates doing well. Sanders and Trump are making waves, and regardless if you like him or not: Trump is a force to be reckoned with. He's doing astonishingly well and isn't going away anytime soon.
 

drmike

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I am liking Trump.  Sanders I am alright somewhat with.  The whole free stuff for everyone though isn't my thing, but realist about life being unfair and some baseline that should exist and safety nets.  I think we need to rethink entitlements from top to bottom.  Cut corporate welfare, stop offshoring and companies moving abroad to avoid paying here while selling here.


I am reminded often by ex pats living abroad who the IRS wants to pay annually for their monies earned abroad while they live abroad. Long arm says you are citizen so you owe back home.  Same isn't how it applies to corporations, sadly.  I mean it should or individuals should be exempt just the same.


As silly as it sounds, whoever wins this race, I'd like to see them include a good chunk of the guys and gals also running for cabinet.  I think it's time for consensus building and crossing lines and inclusion.


Hopefully this election destroys the two party monopoly stronghold.
 

drmike

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... and yes, I think pretty highly of Kasich.   He's a little too war hawkish in spots for me, something most Republicans need to knock off.  


Strong military = good, sticking your nose in foreign affairs and overthrowing leaders = very bad.


Cruz I enjoy his oratory skills, but the guys face and smile are too sadistic and his wife is an insider and both are former Whitehouse workers in Bush administration.  #JUSTSAYNOTOBUSHES.


Waiting to see what Mike Bloomberg does - considering a run... Last was an independent as mayor of New York City.


If Bloomberg jumps in, it is going to wreck Trump and shoe-in Clinton on vote splits.  #JUSTSAYNOTOCLINTONS


Meh, I've enjoyed the Republican debates so far.  Democrat debates not so much so.
 

MannDude

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I'm waiting for Feb. 20th for the North Carolina primary. It's winner take all in terms of delegates (50). So far Trump is polling above others there but time will tell how he does. It's where candidates play dirty since so much is at stake. I'm sure they're all going to come out swinging at Trump. I'll have my popcorn ready regardless.


EDIT: I guess the dem's have their primary in NC on the 27th. Unsure how it works for them in regards to delegates. But since it's Clinton VS Sanders I doubt it'll be as exciting as watching a half dozen men cling to relevance and attack the leader of their pack.
 
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drmike

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I'm waiting for Feb. 20th for the North Carolina primary. It's winner take all in terms of delegates. So far Trump is polling above others there but time will tell how he does. It's where candidates play dirty since so much is at stake. I'm sure they're all going to come out swinging at Trump. I'll have my popcorn ready regardless.

I really think the States should standardize.  The winner take all is blah.  Apportion delegates based on voting totals I say.


Going to be mighty interesting the NC primary.


Then we have what?  Some super-whatever with a slew of States start of March?
 

MannDude

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I really think the States should standardize.  The winner take all is blah.  Apportion delegates based on voting totals I say.


Going to be mighty interesting the NC primary.


Then we have what?  Some super-whatever with a slew of States start of March?

Yeah, it's a mind-fuck trying to learn how it's done... Every state is different. Different states and districts assign different number of delegates and each party has their own rules.


After SC it's... uhh.. I think Florida and Nevada? Would have to look it up but trying not to look that far ahead. =]
 

drmike

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Yeah, it's a mind-fuck trying to learn how it's done... Every state is different. Different states and districts assign different number of delegates and each party has their own rules.


After SC it's... uhh.. I think Florida and Nevada? Would have to look it up but trying not to look that far ahead. =]

Florida if it is coming up soon is mega interesting.  It's a purple state that whatever way it goes, stands to swing the winner in regular election.  We saw that with Bush and the hanging chads and the Supreme Court insanity.
 

MannDude

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I swear, with some people they'd rather you come out and say you support Bill Cosby or Jared Fogle before they'd want to hear you say you support Trump.


So Trump won South Carolina last night, and every single republican candidate who won both New Hampshire and South Carolina went on to get the republican nomination for president. I think we're going to wind up with a Trump vs Clinton presidential election personally. Sanders has huge support from the youngsters but I just don't see the bulk of America, even democrats, voting for a democratic socialist. I don't like Clinton at all but Trump should have a treasure trove of material to work with when it comes to running against her.
 
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DomainBop

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If Bloomberg jumps in, it is going to wreck Trump and shoe-in Clinton on vote splits.  #JUSTSAYNOTOCLINTONS

Emperor Mike, the guy who spent $270 mill to buy 3 Mayoral elections ?  The only ones who benefited from his term in office were large corporations and wealthy (white) Manhattanites.  Everyone else in the city basically got screwed.  Small businesses here were hit especially had during the midget's reign.

I think we're going to wind up with a Trump vs Clinton presidential election personally. 

Probably more likely than a Barr vs McAfee matchup :p


Peace and Freedom Party nominee: Roseanne Barr  http://www.ontheissues.org/Roseanne_Barr.htm


Libertarian Party contender: John McAfee https://mcafee2016.com/
 
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drmike

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I like some of what Sanders has to say.  But calling him an outsider is a joke. He's been an elected official for at least 25 years and I think more in local offices prior to that.


As a Senator I heard, but didn't fact check, that he's proposed like 353 different bills.  Of them 3 have been passed and what they were was insane bullshit like naming something after someone.


If this is his track record for real, it shows he can't build bridges (let alone walls) and consensus to get things done.


I like Trump.  He's brutally to the point and saying what a lot of folks out here on Main Street think and see every day.  You should note that in voting data from South Carolina Trump had Republican support of all types, the religious, the blue collar group strongly his way.  Only disconnect really is the white collar wing of the Republican party that is going elsewhere - Rubio + Cruz.


As Bush and others pack up, we'll see if Trump has what it takes to win in other primary states.   


Cruz, meh, such a smart guy and witty.  But dirtbag politics by his campaign manager.   That's going to wreck his campaign.  The fake mailers, the Carson stunt, etc.  The manager pulled the same shit in 2012 I think it was and was investigated for it.  There is a legal gavel with that bastards name on it coming soon.


Clinton, meh, I hate dynasties. Time came and went for her like it did the Bush buddies.


Bloomberg, I can see that a$$hole tossing his name in just to toss the election to Clinton.  Same sort of screw job that we saw back with Ross Perot causing Bill Clinton to win.  Never liked Bloomberg.  He's the worst about mega wealth. The idiot more hell bent on regulating soda pop container sizes than addressing the what? $10+ billion NYC school district budget and the rampant illiteracy in their high school GRADUATES.


Yeah, Bloomberg has his greedy head on sideways and all that money to be mayor of a city, meh, we should have laws that prohibit spending on campaigns. Literally, a campaign, all contestants should have to live within a reasonable budget that looks like the median househould income they intend to rule over.  Maybe the presidential election can take the median household income per state and add them all up for total campaign budget.  Telling you, spending reform needs to happen.  Jeb tried to buy the election and ran through over $100~ million in primary spending.   Talking about idiots like him spending what end of an election cycle?  A billion?  MAYBE not, but going to be way up there and continue to balloon unless something is done.
 

RosenHost

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As a non-US, I really liked Bernie Sanders. Does he really have a chance ? Btw, Hillary Clinton sounds like a republican
 
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