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Racist implications aside, flying the flag of a failed secession 150 years after the fact is weird and fucked up
The Confederate battle flag.
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Racist implications aside, flying the flag of a failed secession 150 years after the fact is weird and fucked up
Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
Say what you will about the South.. but nobody retires and moves north.
No racist implications made, I am not certain where you got that from my previous short response. I guess nowadays everyone is a racist until proven
Kidding aside, it's isn't uncommon for people to be proud of there heritage. Same reason Texans are proud of their past and will proudly display this with their use of flags. The south does the same. Since only 6% of people owned slaves in the south it seems that most people probably were not celebrating slavery and rather their independence, even if brief, from the north. Just seems the flag represents an independent rebel like ideology more than it does anything else. But I don't know. I'm just a white guy so I am part of the problem I guess because hundreds of years ago a very small portion of America owned slaves.
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Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
I have both Confederate and Soviet flags (along with my US service flag) hanging in my workshop. I like having a mixed, rich heritage.
Though if a rebel flag automatically makes you racist, and a Soviet flag makes you communist (all are equal/etc)... do they cancel each other out?
Though if a rebel flag automatically makes you racist, and a Soviet flag makes you communist (all are equal/etc)... do they cancel each other out?
I love the intimidation factor...fitting when discussing the Confederate battle flag and its history.
Folks not from the South, and especially those outside the US generally don't understand it. While sure some groups will use this flag for their weird and obnoxious "causes", to most it's indeed simply just used to show you're proud to be a southerner. While all of America is split up into states, "the South" tends to be oft referred to as it's own being and the flag just goes along with that in a sense.
Really hard to explain
EDIT: Just to insure nothing is confused, to me and most others the flag has nothing to do with racism but is purely a display of pride in being Southern, nothing more.
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wlanboy
Content Contributer
The flag is the perfect distraction for the USA.
It is so much easier to talk about a flag and not about the reason that some thinks that it is ok to kill people.
Everyone is talking about the flag, some are talking about guns, ...
I regular visit the US and I do have some friends in NY/MA/DE and whenever I am talking to them they say that they are fed up with all the topics serving only to maintain a false morality.
It is so much easier to talk about a flag and not about the reason that some thinks that it is ok to kill people.
Everyone is talking about the flag, some are talking about guns, ...
I regular visit the US and I do have some friends in NY/MA/DE and whenever I am talking to them they say that they are fed up with all the topics serving only to maintain a false morality.
Burning the flag of any nation in front of a group of people who served in that country's military and fought for them is not a good idea... The reaction was very tame all things considered. The burning of the flag should be considered a violent act just as pissing on the grave at a veteran's cemetery should be. Regardless of your beliefs it is extremely disrespectful. There are a lot of things I disagree with in this country, and I am not a fan of our military presence world wide either. But if I went outside and started burning American flags I would be happy if all I got was a punch in the face.
This is some hilarious liberal group that no one can remember the name of that was trying to do something to 'get heard'. Their group and main cause is to 'disarm' the NYPD. Seriously. It's a group that thinks police officers in America's largest city should not have guns or weapons on them. Comically, after people started getting upset that Freddie Gray died in Baltimore police have stopped entering these horrible slum, ghetto crime ridden areas. The murder rate in the city has increased by 48%. 150 people have been murdered in that city alone this year. NYC would turn into Honduras as far as murder rates go in the course of a month if the NYPD was 'disarmed' like that group wants. That group is a joke.
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I summon level 75 Man Ripping Nazi Flag From The Sound Of Music to spiritually merge with level 97 All Dukes Of Hazzard Car Jumps From Season 1-3 forming an INVINCIBLE HYBRID IDEOLOGY that cannot be metacritically relinquished either i) until the end of the 21st Century or ii) until flag sales begin to decline and capital flight becomes irreversible, whichever comes first.
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k0nsl
Bad Goy
I'm not even American and I feel pretty queasy at people such as yourself. You deserve to live a few years in Tunisia or Syria under the circumstances which prevail there at the time of writing this. Perhaps then you could learn to appreciate America, or what's left of it anyway :mellow:
I'm no historian and this was only gleaned from wikipedia, but I find it fascinating that Mexico 'officially outlawed' slavery in 1829 (36 years prior to America) and were basically punished with the annexation of Texas for it. If the American civil war was fought a few decades earlier (in political step with Mexico's abolition of slavery) it seems possible that Mexican Texas wouldn't have ever become part of America.
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DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
The group that wants to disarm NYC cops is less of a joke than the group that wants to fire corrupt NYC cops. Crime rates with 49,000 disarmed cops policing the streets would still be much lower than they would be if the NYC police force was reduced to less than 1,000 honest armed cops if the "fire the corrupt cops" group and their buddies at internal affairs got their way and got rid of all the corruption in the police department.
. The "ban the confederate flag" bandwagon is a definite media distraction and really does nothing to address the underlying problems. Eliminating the flag is unlikely to have any meaningful effect on reducing racism or preventing the next massacre in this country.
The US corporate media has largely ignored the fact that racism is just as bad (and in many cases worse) in areas of the north where the Confederate flag has never flown as it is in the south. From extremely segregated urban areas (metro Detroit, metro Washington DC are good examples) to racial/ethnic/religious profiling by police departments that target entire groups of people based solely on their race or religion. The NYPD is a perfect example of this with its racially targeted stop and frisk program (which the courts ruled was unconstitutional), and its surveillance of virtually every Muslim (and anyone who looked "middle eastern") in the city under Emperor Bloomberg and his former police commissioner Ray Kelly (as a side note: Kelly's biggest achievement as police commissioner was making a rape complaint against his son go away).
Oh calm down, they can't top de Sade.
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I honestly cant appreciate a country that is so out of touch and broken as it is. Gay Marriage is what we're fighting over and a flag when we have freaking Is growing daily.
I am not proud to be amaerican lol
I do appreciate the work many soldiers who have died for my freedom and safety but I am not proud to be apart of this country and how ignorant we are as a people.
AuroraZero
Active Member
OKay I will say this one more time and only one more time.
I may not agree with what you have to say or do, but I will defend to the death your right to say or do it.
With that being said you could not give me a slave. You literally could not even give me money to take one. No man has the god given right to own another one. That is not the issue I have with any of this at all. I do not care if that flag meant that every person in the world would be enslaved to a cruel death for flying it, it should still be legal to fly it and no one should censor that. When I say no one I mean not Nascar, not State govt., not even God himself should censor that.
Yes I am a Christian and I do believe in God and in Christ, and I still feel this way. Also though people that do these things must be prepared to accept the consequenses of their actions. Just like if some one burned or disgraced a flag in my presence they would then earn themselves the reward of two broken arms and legs. I tend to take my symbols seriously. That one is one you do not piss with as my father, grandfather, and great grandfather all faught to keep that flag flying as a symbol of our freedom here.
Do not even think about disgracing it, or my god, or be willing to face the consequences of your actions. This country was founded on certain principles and people have forgotten them. I am beginning to think it is time they are remin ded of them again.
Okay enough of my blathering back to my solutide. Happy 4th to anyone and everyone that wants to have one.
I may not agree with what you have to say or do, but I will defend to the death your right to say or do it.
With that being said you could not give me a slave. You literally could not even give me money to take one. No man has the god given right to own another one. That is not the issue I have with any of this at all. I do not care if that flag meant that every person in the world would be enslaved to a cruel death for flying it, it should still be legal to fly it and no one should censor that. When I say no one I mean not Nascar, not State govt., not even God himself should censor that.
Yes I am a Christian and I do believe in God and in Christ, and I still feel this way. Also though people that do these things must be prepared to accept the consequenses of their actions. Just like if some one burned or disgraced a flag in my presence they would then earn themselves the reward of two broken arms and legs. I tend to take my symbols seriously. That one is one you do not piss with as my father, grandfather, and great grandfather all faught to keep that flag flying as a symbol of our freedom here.
Do not even think about disgracing it, or my god, or be willing to face the consequences of your actions. This country was founded on certain principles and people have forgotten them. I am beginning to think it is time they are remin ded of them again.
Okay enough of my blathering back to my solutide. Happy 4th to anyone and everyone that wants to have one.
Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
This country was founded by slave owners that wanted to stop paying tribute to the monarch across the pond. If you *really* want to get pedantic with it, you could even say that this country was founded on the same principles that the flag burners are exercising - freedom from a governing body they believe to be corrupt.
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AuroraZero
Active Member
I agree totally with you @Aldryic C'boas and as such I exercise my right to bust their arms and legs. I am not saying the system is perfect but if they do not like it then do something to change it. Burning the symbol people use for freedom is not the right thing to do in my book. Especially when you happen to live in said country, and enjoy the same freedom the symbol is suppose to stand for in the first place.
At least that is how I look at it. I am sure others see things differently, but then again that is one of things that makes America what it is today. The freedom to have your own insights and opinions, and they do not have to be like mine and no, we do not have to fight over them.
At least that is how I look at it. I am sure others see things differently, but then again that is one of things that makes America what it is today. The freedom to have your own insights and opinions, and they do not have to be like mine and no, we do not have to fight over them.