Vpn providers banned by Visa and Mastercard

[mikho]

Just read this : https://torrentfreak.com/mastercard-and-visa-start-banning-vpn-providers-130703/

There’s an unwritten rule that Mastercard and Visa don’t accept file-hosting sites that have an affiliate program and PayPal has thrown out nearly all cyberlockers in recent months.


It now turns out that these policies have carried over to VPN providers and other anonymizing services. Before the weekend customers of the popular Swedish payment service provider Payson received an email stating that VPN services are no longer allowed to accept Visa and Mastercard payments due to a recent policy change.

Thats something to get around. Will we see an increase usage with bitcoins after this? Increase in different "companies" selling the service to use your credit card to get vpn access?


Or will this be the increase in personal vps usage as vpns?

 

[MartinD]

I would say the latter. I don't think BitCoins are quite popular and mainstream enough to see a major switch in that direction. Coupled with the fact a lot of people who want to use VPN services are trying to get round the GFoC. I think it's a good move, personally. I don't see any legitimate reason for being completely anonymous on the net.

 

[maounique]

As usual, anything against the market and legal services will fail.

people will go to alternate means and this can only benefit the market overall. One day we will have more payment processors outside US control, the more market there is for them, the more independent the payment processors will become.

paysafe cards are perfect for the job.

@MartinD Au contraire, mon ami, paypal/visa/mastercard were ways to link the VPN user to the person by tracing the money, with paysafe, for example, there wont be any way to do that, they are shooting themselves in the foot, activists and oposition will be even harder to track.

Criminals dont need VPNs, so this is targeted exactly at the undesirable free speech activists, civil liberties in general.

You see, nobody cares US government ibs not only breaching international law spying on the world citizens, but also own constitution spying on own citizens without warrants. Nobody seems to care, in the past this brought presidents down, now, since no secret service people need to enter political parties headquarters and they read everything through the wires, it is all perfectly fine.

from this to kidnapping and disposition of "enemies of the state" is just a step which could have been done already.

 

[rds100]

@Mao i generally agree, but it's not only the USA who wants to control, censor and monitor the internet. The EU  tries to do this too, China, Russia, the arab nations, etc.

While paysafecard provides relatively good anonymity for the buyer, it's not good for the seller - because there is no good way to cashout your paysafecards.

 

[maounique]

While paysafecard provides relatively good anonymity for the buyer, it's not good for the seller - because there is no good way to cashout your paysafecards.

Yet, but the market is growing and where there is a need there is a way.

At least EU tries to push laws to do this, while the US does it outside their own laws, including the constitution. In EU the governments are still responsible tot he citizens, in US this was lost many years ago.

On topic, soon VPS and shared hosting people will be banned too since both can be used to do VPNs of some sort.

And, of course, anonimity=child porn, terrorism, drugs, democracy, freedom, free speech, circumventing censorship, lots of dangerous things.

 

[stim]

According to this article:

...Visa Europe says: "Visa Europe has not been involved in this matter in any way, and has not made any such stipulations to Payson or to any other organisation.

and

It appears that the issue may be down to Payson's acquiring bank, rather than MasterCard and Visa.

 

[Aldryic C'boas]

I love it when a legitimate concern gets bullrushed into a "County X is worse than Country Y, and always at fault" spectacle, and the original topic goes undiscussed.

 

[EarthVPN]

Use Bitcoins

 

[joepie91]

I don't see any legitimate reason for being completely anonymous on the net.

Others do. And generally, it's a bad idea to base rulemaking on lack of ability to see/understand/recognize something.

 

[Aldryic C'boas]

I don't see having an opinion as a lack of ability.  To flip that on you, it's generally a bad idea to base rulemaking on lack of accountability and a general sense of entitlement.

 

[maounique]

Lack of acountability we can see at the US government which dismisses own constitution when it doesnt suit them.

The 4th amendment is still in it yet nobody seems to care, and most important, nobody paid for breaking the cosntitution yet and it is highly unlikely for anyone to pay.

Since the law does no longer protect the citizens, they have to defend themselves and their rights in any way they can.

Using VPN or Tor is one of the ways. Governments dont like it and are making steps to block it, be it US, Iran, China or arab governments, they are all united in regard to spying and censoring their citizens and the inconvenient truth.

 

[KuJoe]

Yet people still have and use cell phones regularly. Pocket-sized devices with built in cameras, microphones, GPS, and an always on public internet connection... I love it.

 

[Aldryic C'boas]

Lack of acountability we can see at the US government which dismisses own constitution when it doesnt suit them.

The 4th amendment is still in it yet nobody seems to care, and most important, nobody paid for breaking the cosntitution yet and it is highly unlikely for anyone to pay.

Since the law does no longer protect the citizens, they have to defend themselves and their rights in any way they can.

Using VPN or Tor is one of the ways. Governments dont like it and are making steps to block it, be it US, Iran, China or arab governments, they are all united in regard to spying and censoring their citizens and the inconvenient truth.

I'll be damned... you mentioned other countries aside from the US in one of your politihate rants for once.  This pattern keeps up, you might finally accept that government == control, regardless of the country;  and maybe then we can get some thoughtful conversation instead of the same anti-US crap that seems to be spoonfed to.. well, most folks that have never actually lived in the US <_<  Let me know when you set up residency in Shangri-La.. I hear the houses aren't quite so glassy there.

 

[wlanboy]

Using VPN or Tor is one of the ways. Governments dont like it and are making steps to block it, be it US, Iran, China or arab governments, they are all united in regard to spying and censoring their citizens and the inconvenient truth.

Woho - calm down. Don't talk about any country you did not visit. And stop talking about the us or the arab.

And please use your tor client to access a vpn to log into facebook and publish some gps tagged pictures of your childs.

 

[maounique]

. well, most folks that have never actually lived in the US

Yes, many countries have good education systems, in many places the majority does not believe the official propaganda, even when done on "private" channels.

I am surprised you do not comment on the fact that the constitution is the last collateral damage int he fight against the evil haters abroad. I wonder how long until EU will be deemed an official enemy and all communications with said entity will be monitored.

It is not long, we have freedom fries, then EU is protesting against spying, therefore they have something to hide and many people there speak publicly against US policies abroad, and even medling in our internal affirs talking about constitution and civil liberties, this is proof enough EU is a bunch of haters which forgot we helped them against Nazis and communists, thank god we still have a lot of bases there and can strike them at any time.

I wonder how many countries will be on the blacklist of US sanctions in 20 years time ? if there will be anyone still living then.

 

[rds100]

A little offtopic, but still related

 

[Aldryic C'boas]

Yes, many countries have good education systems, in many places the majority does not believe the official propaganda, even when done on "private" channels.

And many countries, spoonfed into believing anything they hear about "the evil US", will eat that up willingly and form a stereotype that distracts them quite nicely, gives them something to feel superior to all the while their government does the exact same thing to them.

I am surprised you do not comment on the fact that the constitution is the last collateral damage int he fight against the evil haters abroad. I wonder how long until EU will be deemed an official enemy and all communications with said entity will be monitored. It is not long, we have freedom fries, then EU is protesting against spying, therefore they have something to hide and many people there speak publicly against US policies abroad, and even medling in our internal affirs talking about constitution and civil liberties, this is proof enough EU is a bunch of haters which forgot we helped them against Nazis and communists, thank god we still have a lot of bases there and can strike them at any time.

 

Oh, how cute, you think I'm an American.  Yet one more example of an uninformed, uneducated assumption.  How about you stop being such a naïve child, and start realizing that government == government no matter what flag they fly.  EU protests spying?  Bullshit son, I grew up in east EU under the red flag.  The only reason a politician will 'denounce' such action is in attempt to assure their citizens that they aren't actively doing the same damn thing.  And you actually believe what a politician tells you?  More the fool, you.

It's time for you to grow up.  Once you're ready to actually learn how governments work, I'd look forward to some intelligent discourse.  If you insist on spewing that spoonfed hate and bashing specific countries like an uneducated bigot?  Go back to LET, that shithole was made for you.

 

[maounique]

 Go back to LET, that shithole was made for you.

Well, if you ban me here too, I will.

 

[Aldryic C'boas]

HAH.  You cry about 'government propaganda' (despite being a very clear example), and yet STILL try to convince yourself that I ever had any sort of power at LET?  The forum owned/operated by CC/CVPS?  Classic Maounique - when backed into a corner, make a desperate attempt to change the subject.

Now, if you're quite done with your uneducated bigotry, it's time to stop derailing this thread.

 

[kaniini]

I don't see any legitimate reason for being completely anonymous on the net.

Whistleblowing?