With the advent of KVM, Xen is dead....

Damian

New Member
Verified Provider
...for anyone who doesn't already offer Xen.

You're probably aware that we're currently architecting a replacement VPS panel that we'll eventually license to anyone who wants to use it. 

We're seriously considering not implementing Xen, as we don't use it ourselves.

Tell me how i'm wrong. Go!
 

GVH-Jon

Banned
Xen PV > KVM > OpenVZ/Virtuozzo   :)

We're deploying a new Xen node this week (and discontinuing the public sale of OpenVZ, hence the ad) I'm honestly so pumped for it!
 
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telephone

New Member
Stick with KVM, then expand.

^ Plan for multi-platform in advance -> Make use of interfaces and abstract classes.
 

GVH-Jon

Banned
To be fair you can probably oversell 1GB KVM RAM at the most and HDD cannot be oversold.
You know that, I know that, many experienced providers know that, but do inexperienced consumers know that?

Using Xen, it's more beneficial for marketing purposes as you can advertise "Never oversold resources" (If you're excluding bandwidth, which obviously can be oversold) which will attract more people who don't know really the differences between Xen and KVM, etc.
 

vanarp

Active Member
I think you can run multiple KVMs on top of a XEN node if I remember well (from the LET thread)... lol
 

GVH-Jon

Banned
I think you can run multiple KVMs on top of a XEN node if I remember well (from the LET thread)... lol
Of course, Xen is full virtualization (Well unless you're using PV.. then that's a different story and topic..) You can have an OpenVZ node inside of a Xen VPS as well but the issue is that you're creating a virtualized environment inside of a virtualized environment. Although it may be an option if you're seriously budget strapped, I wouldn't do it because you'd be taking away performance for the sake of saving a few bucks.
 

sleddog

New Member
Tell me how i'm wrong. Go!
You're wrong because alternatives and freedom of choice are good things. Both Xen and KVM are excellent technologies and we are fortunate that both exist.

Should there be just one Linux distro?

Should there be just one computer operating system?

You've made your choice and that's fine. Let other people do the same without requiring justification.
 

Damian

New Member
Verified Provider
Isn't part of the problem with Solus is that they're not users of the system, and therefore their development doesn't align with the needs of providers? Which would be what we're avoiding with not implementing Xen into the panel.
 

qps

Active Member
Verified Provider
We really like Xen.  Xen PV is great and is something that KVM does not have.

Xen is widely used by cloud providers (Amazon, OnApp, etc).

Xen on SolusVM works pretty well.
 

xBytez

New Member
I really like KVM. KVM is great and is something that Xen does not have.

KVM is widely used by cloud providers (DigitalOcean, etc).

KVM on SolusVM works pretty well.
 
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Damian

New Member
Verified Provider
I'm indeed seeing that plenty of people like Xen. This is fine, of course, because emotion and opinion is what drive a lot of what all of us do.

I'm looking for facts here. What does KVM do that Xen doesn't do, and vice versa. Near as I can tell, both do the exact same thing, which is why i'm looking for education.
 
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