Delaware LLC, ARIN

[Virtovo]

Howdy, hopefully someone can advise a little on this.

Looking forwards, I can see IP pricing being an issue and ideally we'd like to have control over some IP space (we certainly don't need 1000s of IPs).  Has any company here set up an LLC in the US for the purpose of registering with ARIN?  Can anyone share their experiences, recommended incorporation agents etc.  Was registering with ARIN an easy process?

 

[drmike]

I take it you are based outside of the US, but offer services in the US?

I can't go naming names, but, you shouldn't have a problem.  Unsure what Delaware smacks you with these days for fees.  Nevada has always been more compelling and Wyoming is the interesting upstart - for incorporation.

 

[Virtovo]

I take it you are based outside of the US, but offer services in the US?

I can't go naming names, but, you shouldn't have a problem.  Unsure what Delaware smacks you with these days for fees.  Nevada has always been more compelling and Wyoming is the interesting upstart - for incorporation.

Yes we only offer services in the US at the moment and are based in the UK.  We're not looking to do a smash and grab on IP address space, just secure some to ensure the long term viability of our business.

 

[drmike]

Yeah you should be fine.  ARIN is randomly harassing people for allocation justifications.  

Probably a week or two turn around.  Some have taken longer (the harassed).

 

[Virtovo]

Yeah you should be fine.  ARIN is randomly harassing people for allocation justifications.  

Probably a week or two turn around.  Some have taken longer (the harassed).

Thanks.  I'll have to do some more research into the tax liabilities for each of the states and also our ongoing requirements as an LLC (annual returns etc)

 

[drmike]

Nevada and Wyoming are no corporate taxes.  Filing fees aren't much either.  Local agent costs the bulk.

 

[Francisco]

You'll have to continue using that LLC unless you want to rejustify the usage.

ARIN doesn't allow 'easy' transfers in that you just say "I'm moving this to XY LTD", they'll

require that XY provides full justification for the resources.

Francisco

 

[Nett]

@Virtovo

Do you have your owned servers colo'd? And do you have at least /24 of IPv4 space utilised?

 

[Wintereise]

The requirements for an ASN are multi homing, and the requirements for the first /22 are pretty strict too.

Specifically, you might want to read the first exhibit on the NRPM located at https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/ipv4.html

All the best.

 

[Virtovo]

You'll have to continue using that LLC unless you want to rejustify the usage.


ARIN doesn't allow 'easy' transfers in that you just say "I'm moving this to XY LTD", they'll


require that XY provides full justification for the resources.


Francisco

Was planning to keep LLC going.  I'm currently looking into the ongoing considerations.

@Virtovo

Do you have your owned servers colo'd? And do you have at least /24 of IPv4 space utilised?

No owned hardware.  A /24 is in use; however upon reading looks like may need a /20 in use first.

The requirements for an ASN are multi homing, and the requirements for the first /22 are pretty strict too.

Specifically, you might want to read the first exhibit on the NRPM located at https://www.arin.net/policy/archive/ipv4.html

All the best.

Thanks

 

[Nett]

No owned hardware.  A /24 is in use; however upon reading looks like may need a /20 in use first.

You should move to owned hardware and colocation before applying for the ARIN IPs. You should also get your own bandwidth contracts instead of getting bandwidth from your server provider. A /24 or /23 is enough for you to get a /22.

 

[Virtovo]

You should move to owned hardware and colocation before applying for the ARIN IPs. You should also get your own bandwidth contracts instead of getting bandwidth from your server provider. A /24 or /23 is enough for you to get a /22.

Although there is a plan to do all of the things you listed; the timescales involved put the chance to request IP space at risk.  My understanding is that those things are not required to get an allocation from ARIN, justification and immediate usage is?

 

[Nett]

These are not required, but the IP that you get will be under your provider's name and ASN.

 

[coreyman]

Although there is a plan to do all of the things you listed; the timescales involved put the chance to request IP space at risk.  My understanding is that those things are not required to get an allocation from ARIN, justification and immediate usage is?

If you don't have a multihomed setup I would wait until I had more ip addresses so you didn't have to go out and get contracts for that. Most datacenters are already multihomed and give you a blend of bandwidth in their mix. You having another carrier coming in to your cabinet is just going to cost you more.

 

[Kakashi]

We had a look at this as well and are a step ahead in terms of having our own hardware that is co-located at various Datacenters. Our total used IP space in the US would probably be about /23 subnet's worth.

The only way we would be able to get an allocation is to go the multi-homed route. That in itself would require significant investment and headache. Not to mention the fact we can't demonstrate that we have 2 x /24's in use with those upstream providers (because we won't). Our clients are spread all over the US.

So for now we can't do much. I suspect the same might be true in your case. Just sit tight and grow, hopefully by the time you're big enough there will be some IP's free

On top of that you aren't allowed to use ARIN IP's in the EU. I would first grab some RIPE addresses whilst you can. It's expensive but it's now or never.

 

[Virtovo]

We had a look at this as well and are a step ahead in terms of having our own hardware that is co-located at various Datacenters. Our total used IP space in the US would probably be about /23 subnet's worth.


The only way we would be able to get an allocation is to go the multi-homed route. That in itself would require significant investment and headache. Not to mention the fact we can't demonstrate that we have 2 x /24's in use with those upstream providers (because we won't). Our clients are spread all over the US.


So for now we can't do much. I suspect the same might be true in your case. Just sit tight and grow, hopefully by the time you're big enough there will be some IP's free


On top of that you aren't allowed to use ARIN IP's in the EU. I would first grab some RIPE addresses whilst you can. It's expensive but it's now or never.

Quite a bit of money for a /22 with RIPE.  Are you guaranteed an allocation of a /22? You have to pay the fee before finding out from what I understand. 

 

[lowesthost]

You need to have everything in place before even making a request  else it will be rejected

1. multihomed network  (they will want to see contracts)

2. showing the use of a /23

 

[Kakashi]

It was about £3000 in total to get everything set up + first installment of IP's. Then we pay around £350 quarterly for the IP's. You can get your 4 x /24's quite easily once they've accepted you as an LIR.

It's still cheaper than getting everything set up in the US.

 

[qps]

By registering an LLC in the US, keep in mind that you will need to file a Federal income tax return even if the state you register with does not have state income taxes.

 

[iWF-Jacob]

Probably a week or two turn around.  Some have taken longer (the harassed).

We're currently on week four for our current requested range...