Hostress, LLC has acquired GreenValueHost v2 Clients and domain.
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souen
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@MarkTurner and @Tyler: thanks for the links. That was my understanding, though I wasn't entirely sure of the details in the US, just that in some countries like Canada this would be unacceptable. According to the customer.io article, the spam laws of the recipient's country usually apply. Could be interesting if people decided to complain.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Depends on what is being actually done and laws of the land where the business is based.
Folks hate company acquisitions. This is spelled out in numbers by anyone who has acquired another company and the following 3 months out and dip in customer numbers.
I detest the client transfer / buyout stuff personally.
There are many shops that will buy pieces or limited assets but have no interest in the clients, containers, etc. due to this grim outcome.
In big people land, there are pros that come in for mergers and acquisitions on all layers. Deals are well planned and customers coddled, usually.
But yeah customer privacy is something this industry has small to mid sized problem with. I see customer screencaps and data that companies shouldn't be saying to customers too often. Handling on customer data, materials in customers containers/space is another big problem spot.
I don't think people hate company acquisitions, more they hate being handed over to someone who has no clue what they are doing.
Unfortunately that's what happens when you sign up with someone who has no clue. A big huge orgy of ignorance and ring scratching.
Unfortunately that's what happens when you sign up with someone who has no clue. A big huge orgy of ignorance and ring scratching.
Hey guys, GHV-Dilly here.
Just to iterate, there has been a mistake in who has the current customers & database information. I first seized everything to Duke. I posted my whcms database and other clients on hackforums to see who would bite. But, I then decided that Duke would be the best to just have them. He's very trustworthy and figured it would be the most ethical thing to do. Plus, I just want to finish my dancing career on youtube ASAP. I have no idea what Duke has been doing with the current clients but I have a lot of trust him to do what's is right. I am extremely sorry for the emotional distress I have caused for the already existing customers, but I know you are in good hands. I have repented for my sins and will step down from the hosting industry.
Kind Regards,
Brand President and CEO, GreenValueHostGM Incorporated and LLC'd.
EDIT: THIS IS A TROLL POST AND I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH GVH OR JON.. LOL
Just to iterate, there has been a mistake in who has the current customers & database information. I first seized everything to Duke. I posted my whcms database and other clients on hackforums to see who would bite. But, I then decided that Duke would be the best to just have them. He's very trustworthy and figured it would be the most ethical thing to do. Plus, I just want to finish my dancing career on youtube ASAP. I have no idea what Duke has been doing with the current clients but I have a lot of trust him to do what's is right. I am extremely sorry for the emotional distress I have caused for the already existing customers, but I know you are in good hands. I have repented for my sins and will step down from the hosting industry.
Kind Regards,
Brand President and CEO, GreenValueHostGM Incorporated and LLC'd.
EDIT: THIS IS A TROLL POST AND I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH GVH OR JON.. LOL
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DomainBop
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The U.S. FTC has been known to take action against companies that don't honor the terms of their posted website privacy policies, but since the privacy policies of both GreenKiddieHost and its successor TackyTrailerTrashVPS read like they were written by 10 year old migration specialists there was really nothing in them to dishonor by flipping the customers to a new operator without prior notification and/or giving customers the ability to opt out of having info transferred. The privacy policies of GVH and TacVPS included the standard "we won't sell your info to marketers" clauses, but didn't include any clauses concerning acquisition of the company or its assets.
In the US the basic privacy policy enforcement rule the FTC goes by is "if it isn't mentioned in the privacy policy then nothing was violated when x occurred", and this is especially true when you're talking about tiny companies like these since the FTC likes to concentrate its enforcement efforts on bigger fish, so the FTC isn't going to give a damn about the sale/donation of the database by GVH to TAC to HO.
edited to add MarkTurner posted this link on LET and it's a good one if you're interested in seeing a summary US data and privacy laws: http://us.practicallaw.com/6-502-0467<--important notes: 1. if you're a website operator with customers from California you also need to be aware of the CA privacy laws, and 2. if a data breach occurs you need to familiarize yourself with the laws of the 46 states that have enacted breach notification laws.
drmike
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Impersonating someone is not very good you know...
TheLinuxBug
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See, I think you guys like having the wool pulled over your eyes. In my opinion, nothing has ever changed hands; there is no legal transaction or paper work that has occurred. Honestly its like these new 'brands' are just D.B.A.'s for GreenValueHost anyways. It is like they just generated new departments of the company and gave some new people X clients and had them try their hand at it. With the amount of money that CC is likely owed by GVH it is even more likely that the ship is actually being run by CC it's self at this time. Duke and tdale were past associates of CC before this all started per my understanding and this, as I said in my last post, is likely them spreading assets around to different people to try and get away from the GVH name and make some money off the left over assets before everyone becomes wise and flees in mass.
This whole mess is a huge joke. DrMike's flip-flopping on CC and GVH also seems very weird to me. Was this 8 months ago he would just be going off on these guys and telling them GTFO, but instead in the past few threads he has been trying to act like this is 'Ok' or 'Normal' or 'Better', none of which is true. Just laughable. My guess is one of these jokers or CC them self have started funding DrMike in some way, because no one overnight just starts going ' Ohh, this is all okay now.. and let me come here and make excuses for these people' which is exactly what he has been doing in each of these threads. "Hey give Duke a break he is trying to fix things...", "Hey give tdale a break he is just trying to help people and fix things" it has become redundant and easy to see through. Now, this may not be true but I am sure I am not the only one who has seen how he has been reacting to these events... in any case it just seems a bit shady to me.
Why the fuck are we still making excuses for these idiots? To be honest this is just starting to seem massively illegal, moving assets among different people without any actual contract or money changing hands. What will it be tomorrow, they transfer another subsection to a 3rd owner "to help the customers", I mean come on?
To some extent I am also starting to think this is just 'cannon fodder' (read: FUD, bullshit, a joke) to get more people coming to LET and Vpsboard as this seems to be the only drama that seems to get new guests through the doors on both sites. If this isn't the case it must be just a 'Happy coincidence' at the very least.
Seriously, anyone who does business with GVH, CC, Xfuse, Hostress, etc deserve the shit storm they are caught up in. Anyone with even a lick of sense would be running from this as fast as they could as nothing about any of these situations sounds legal or legit.
my 2 cents.
Cheers!
This whole mess is a huge joke. DrMike's flip-flopping on CC and GVH also seems very weird to me. Was this 8 months ago he would just be going off on these guys and telling them GTFO, but instead in the past few threads he has been trying to act like this is 'Ok' or 'Normal' or 'Better', none of which is true. Just laughable. My guess is one of these jokers or CC them self have started funding DrMike in some way, because no one overnight just starts going ' Ohh, this is all okay now.. and let me come here and make excuses for these people' which is exactly what he has been doing in each of these threads. "Hey give Duke a break he is trying to fix things...", "Hey give tdale a break he is just trying to help people and fix things" it has become redundant and easy to see through. Now, this may not be true but I am sure I am not the only one who has seen how he has been reacting to these events... in any case it just seems a bit shady to me.
Why the fuck are we still making excuses for these idiots? To be honest this is just starting to seem massively illegal, moving assets among different people without any actual contract or money changing hands. What will it be tomorrow, they transfer another subsection to a 3rd owner "to help the customers", I mean come on?
To some extent I am also starting to think this is just 'cannon fodder' (read: FUD, bullshit, a joke) to get more people coming to LET and Vpsboard as this seems to be the only drama that seems to get new guests through the doors on both sites. If this isn't the case it must be just a 'Happy coincidence' at the very least.
Seriously, anyone who does business with GVH, CC, Xfuse, Hostress, etc deserve the shit storm they are caught up in. Anyone with even a lick of sense would be running from this as fast as they could as nothing about any of these situations sounds legal or legit.
my 2 cents.
Cheers!
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Just speculating, but with their ridiculous prices that they were offering and their 'corporate tile' bullshit on WHT, no doubt in my fucking mind and wouldn't be surprised at all if they accumulated / have over thousands of customers in their pool. And gosh damn that was a long sentence, sorry.
This just goes to shows you how WHT does play a role / impact of this bullshit.
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zed
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called it~
Tyler
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Mainly third worlders who bought hosting -- I'm guessing due to the fact that his hosting was far less cost prohibitive than any others out there.
They bought up plans left and right hoping to win a web hosting jackpot (this applies mainly to the resellers). Quite a shame, in my opinion. Giving these poor folks false hope with silly guarantees.
I have a feeling, all this shit was setup just so WHT can save their ass and not change/update how they do their corporate tiles. Guaranfuckingtee Jon will be back under a different alias and get that free corporate title under his belt and be back with some other website with outrageous prices. WHT is just doing damage control at this point because they know damn well their corporate tile shit is bogus but they don't want to spend time to do QA and BI so they are making it seem 'They care about the integrity of the tiles so they got rid of Jonny'.
That's just my personal assumption though, not fact. Don't quote me on it.
But, I do believe this 'Duke -> tdale -> Who's next?' Bullshit was all set up in advance and is a marketing play for their future endeavors. Because originally Duke said he was going to take gosh damn good care of those customers but then he just ships them off to tdale. It doesn't make any sense to me. It's just not adding up.
I know for a fact Jonny isn't going to leave, plus in his announcement he said hes going to be 'Rehabilitating'. This is just another fancy way for multiple personal disorder people to start their new recovery process / troll / take time off (or go do another hobby like upload more videos of himself dancing for example), then come back under a new identity / new company. Nothing really new, just be cautious everyone.
Edit: TLDR: It's an inside job within WHT/LET and Jon will back to exploit the market to again.. take advantage get his money and go on vacation 'rehabilitation' and come back again and do it all over again under different aliases. In debt my ass.
That's just my personal assumption though, not fact. Don't quote me on it.
But, I do believe this 'Duke -> tdale -> Who's next?' Bullshit was all set up in advance and is a marketing play for their future endeavors. Because originally Duke said he was going to take gosh damn good care of those customers but then he just ships them off to tdale. It doesn't make any sense to me. It's just not adding up.
I know for a fact Jonny isn't going to leave, plus in his announcement he said hes going to be 'Rehabilitating'. This is just another fancy way for multiple personal disorder people to start their new recovery process / troll / take time off (or go do another hobby like upload more videos of himself dancing for example), then come back under a new identity / new company. Nothing really new, just be cautious everyone.
Edit: TLDR: It's an inside job within WHT/LET and Jon will back to exploit the market to again.. take advantage get his money and go on vacation 'rehabilitation' and come back again and do it all over again under different aliases. In debt my ass.
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drmike
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1. Legal transactions or paperwork - Don't know how everyone deals with their hosting, but doesn't seem to be an industry with heavy duty contracts. The entirety of the industry lacks standards, weights, measures, it's the Wild West. Saying their should be legal paperwork and somehow that makes a deal legal or legit is limited view. Is it smart and normal in traditional businesses, absolutely.
The contracts and demands for such are about as bad as the claims of press releases. They are ummm often flawed. With that @tdale said he and Duke entered a contract and it is signed. He can confirm or deny that. I just asked earlier. So pure hearsay.
2. New Brands ... GVH is a soiled turd. The name and good will towards that name is negative value. But customers from such wisely aren't being fronted as Tac or Hostress blindly. Guess they could have just changed everything in billing and systems to say new brand and confused customers to death.
3. Amount of money owed to CC is significant, it always has been. Saying CC isn't exercising some control over this deal or influencing it would be deceptive - speaking of who is running these assets STRICTLY. CC and me have 0 love for each other. They are owed cash and either they can collect the shit heap and deal with the mess or in fact, allow someone else to. No secret that CC doesn't want any drama and that has been going on for a long time. Officially started oh 16+ months ago when Fabozzi started toning it down and got silent muzzled for a bunch of months. Look at the calendar ~ January 2014 then.
4. Where am I flip flopping? Are you mad that I am not punting the living daylights out of @tdale like I did when him and Fabozzi were up to no good? Remember who brought it and did the legwork and all while fellows like you sat back not knowing. I could have let that continue for a long long time. Let customers get roped in, all of it. No I crushed that company, crumpled it up in a ball and tossed in the shitcan where it belonged.
Now if it's flip flopping to not kick CC and associated just cause then so be it. Flipped and flopped I am . I even posted noting they cleaned up network through clamping down on SMTP along with thresholds [CONSPIRACY]. I did the same about the SPOOFED DDoS friendly network [FOIL HAT]. You see your friendly booters tweaking on CC's network and buying a billion dedis to do so? No, I defunded that shit or at least severely reduced it and caused brain change in Buffalo. Should I continue to punt them? Sure I should and every other clown circus pretending to be a hosting business when piss poor behavior is exhibited in public or against customers.
Now saying I am getting payoffs or inferring "CC them self have started funding DrMike in some way" that is simply fucking garbage. Claiming it is some "overnight" change, garbage too.
Making excuses for Duke, making excuses for tdale? Where? They fuck up, leave tickets lingering, don't deliver things, whatever fail - people aren't saying that stuff here. Feel free to. I'll do better than make talk here about it, I'll get in private message and get something done for the customer.
If you consider excuses as me saying give these guys a chance, then I am truly sorry, you got the wrong idea. I am not advocating buying from them and I suspect most folks here don't buy from said guys and their companies. I am not endorsing it with some DRMIKE SAYS BUY THE BEST VPS FROM [name the company]. I don't do endorsements [and yes people ask me to do such from time to time]. There are a few brands I use and I speak of those as a customer [and yeah I can prove such] and those companies I'll endorse, because they bring it, live it and aren't shit about it. They aren't hobby boys in mommy's house pretending to wear the pants, walk the walk and be the man.
5. Illegality of transfers of customers - contact the Attorney General's Office. Need some numbers? I probably have everything you need. I welcome some legal action in hosting. Seriously.
Guys on these site that claim to care --- they need to step up off their soft asses and do something cause lip flapping doesn't get anything done. I mean it might help beat customers brains stupid and give you slightly better chance at getting that customer yourself. I know that matters since chatter is almost all providers on these sites and the nature of the beast. Nothing stopping guys from keeping the industry honest and driving nasty operators under.
^, I also highly doubt that GVH has thousands of containers/customers. If that is true then I guess humanity has made a giant leap into the future of "Idiocracy"
Idiocracy happened 40+ years ago. When it comes to lowend and WHT these days it is about a mass of buyers (lots in underdeveloped nations) who want unrealistic packages for unreasonable money. A good bit of abuse from such, some are trying to be entrepreneurs, all are unrealistic.
If you want to sell lots of products lower your prices to lowend and then a bit more. Should have no problem turning over thousands of dollars of sales in a month or two. No problem getting up to multiple thousands of containers ---- so long as you actually can afford and deal with all the hardware you will need.
GVH hit 2k containers live or more at peak. Probably most of that still exists today.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Tdale works for CVPS?
And guess who the fuck got Jon's clients...........................
It all makes sense now.
WOW. Speechless and disgusted.
They're all fucking set up. It's all one big fucking sham is what it is to accrue those customers.
In the end, they're all going to go to CVPS.
HAHAHA.
TDALE is just playing it cool on LET while their slowly migrating those fuckers to the CVPS pool in the background.
HAHA FUCK. It's so sad and funny at the same time though. KuJoe was 100% right...
Tdale works for CVPS?
And guess who the fuck got Jon's clients...........................
It all makes sense now.
WOW. Speechless and disgusted.
They're all fucking set up. It's all one big fucking sham is what it is to accrue those customers.
In the end, they're all going to go to CVPS.
HAHAHA.
TDALE is just playing it cool on LET while their slowly migrating those fuckers to the CVPS pool in the background.
HAHA FUCK. It's so sad and funny at the same time though. KuJoe was 100% right...
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Tyler
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They prefer the term "ColoCrossing".
Now the question is. Is duke intentionally involved in this sham? Or is he just playing cool because he will most likely receive something under the table I imagine?
Fuck. I wonder where Jon stands in all this and if he is related to the 'CVPS' party in anyway shape or form.
All these are fucking Pawn Hosts setup just to accrue innocent people as quickly and cheaply as possible, then be fucking tossed around like ragdolls and slowly migrate to CVPS.
Fuck. I wonder where Jon stands in all this and if he is related to the 'CVPS' party in anyway shape or form.
All these are fucking Pawn Hosts setup just to accrue innocent people as quickly and cheaply as possible, then be fucking tossed around like ragdolls and slowly migrate to CVPS.
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And Jesus Heaven forbid if WHT is involved in this in anyway shape or form.. (This Jon banning thing I imagine to gain publicity for GVH). Plus, how the gratis corporate tile was given out to him... it's all starting to make sense now.
CVPS are sneaky little fucks, smart, but very, very fucking evil.
They are literally the Kevin O' Leary of Web Hosts. Gotta give them props though.
CVPS are sneaky little fucks, smart, but very, very fucking evil.
They are literally the Kevin O' Leary of Web Hosts. Gotta give them props though.
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Tyler
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In my opinion, no. Duke was volunteering at GVH and then Jon asked him to take the keys. He took the keys for a while, but it seems that tdale made him an offer that he couldn't refuse. Duke is a stand up guy.
Methinks no, at least from CC, since I believe his nodes are not solely with CC.