Jonny Nguyen - GreenValueHost - Raided by Police.

[mikho]

Yeah, not to mention every LET moderator appeared to be a beneficiary of free gratis services at GVH. Same routine and they bit at it.

To my knowledge it was only Nekki that got free credits/server. It wasn't even suggested to me.


However, I do wonder why you help(ed?) him with one hand and then takes every opportunity to bash him with the other hand?

 

[Francisco]

To my knowledge it was only Nekki that got free credits/server. It wasn't even suggested to me.

However, I do wonder why you help(ed?) him with one hand and then takes every opportunity to bash him with the other hand?

The 2nd sentence isn't fully true. He helped him as best he could in hopes of getting him on the right track but once Jonny got kicked off LET he kinda derailed and aimed for the nearest orphanage to rampage. Mike probably saw this whole school unfolding months in advance simply because of the actions Jonny was taking and the comments he was saying.

Once he was a loose canon it was go time.

Francisco

 

[drmike]

To my knowledge it was only Nekki that got free credits/server. It wasn't even suggested to me.


However, I do wonder why you help(ed?) him with one hand and then takes every opportunity to bash him with the other hand?

Kossen got free credits.. Lee I do believe got similar.   Jonny thought it was 'smart' to how would you say?  Buy favor.   I am not bashing guys for it, such is generally frowned and by law prohibited though.  Payoff / bribe - yeah even if $7.

I helped Jonny as a listening post, as a human, not as an industry person helping him improve his business / sell more / run things truly right.  Although he'd non stop talk shop, that's not what I had focus on.  Initially it was interacting on SUICIDE v.1.0 and spun into SUICIDE v2.0 and the related human failings of a young man lost in the world or exhibiting sociopath behavior.  

My major beef with people I slap at isn't them personal, them the human, it's the shady business crap they do. Love people, hate their actions.

My rule with Jonny was that so long as he didn't lie about his business - specifically customer facing claims, I would remain quiet / no comment.  When he'd lie about outages, causes of fails, details of sales plans, server builds, etc. then I stopped being quiet and rightly slapped at him.  It's a matter of integrity and fairness - I wasn't going to cover his bullshit ala payoff or inferred earned privilege by shutting up.

It was all to serve as a reward system and to instill some ethics in his lacking self.

Karma seems to have temporarily cured his ills or intentionally chosen path.

 

[Tyler]

However, I do wonder why you help(ed?) him with one hand and then takes every opportunity to bash him with the other hand?

He really did a lot to help Jon when he was down. I've spent quite a while talking to drmike, and he has likely spent even more time dealing with Jonny and whatever the day's unfinished project was (rockingham web services, greenvalueinternet, greenvaluebooter... the list goes on). 

He did his "level best" to help Jon and push him in the right direction. Hours, if not days, were spent dealing with him.

 

[drmike]

To be honest I think if the school is only considering a 10 day suspension the seriousness of it is probably much lower than is being made out, probably just imposing rules for the sake of imposing them which is why they called the police maybe?

Perhaps in some way being cruel to be kind to help him?

10 days is cooling period and gives school time to deal with legal and parents.  

It's end of the school year now also, so tender footing about end of year perhaps instituting something that could have him missing finals and perhaps failing whole school year.

My understanding is this 10 days and then round 2 happens.  Round two likely is expulsion for the following school year.

 

[Tyler]

When he'd lie about outages, causes of fails, details of sales plans, server builds, etc. then I stopped being quiet and rightly slapped at him.  

The latest one was his "Taylor" server which he claimed was down for a DMCA complaint (on WHT). He really just didn't pay the bill.

Also, even if it was a DMCA complaint, it still shows negligence on his part, as CC always gives the complaint, then 24 hours to rectify the issue. Not exactly the best lie I've ever heard.

 

[Tyler]

 Round two likely is expulsion for the following school year.

Also suspension for the remainder of the year is likely in his case, and he will likely carry out his coursework from home, being able to finish his junior year without issue. By law, he claimed, he is required to be able to complete his coursework from home.


And also -- as a corollary -- he wouldn't get out of school until the end of June, so he isn't quite at the end of the school year like some folks

 

[MannDude]

The latest one was his "Taylor" server which he claimed was down for a DMCA complaint (on WHT). He really just didn't pay the bill.

Business as usual then, I see.

 

[MartinD]

The 'norm' was 5 days suspension here in the UK back in the olden days when I was at school.

Had my fair share of them

 

[AnthonySmith]

10 days is basically the default here in the US while they sort out the facts. I don't know why that is but basically every article I've read where students are arrested they get a 10 day suspension, even the ones planning mass shootings/bombings.

Do a search for "10 day suspension" (with quotes) on Google and you'll see how common it is even for felony charges.

Ah ok I had no idea in the UK you can probably get a 2 week suspension for swearing at a teacher so 10 days for this seemed a bit of a nothing

 

[Francisco]

The latest one was his "Taylor" server which he claimed was down for a DMCA complaint (on WHT). He really just didn't pay the bill.

Also, even if it was a DMCA complaint, it still shows negligence on his part, as CC always gives the complaint, then 24 hours to rectify the issue. Not exactly the best lie I've ever heard.

I don't get why people are so mean to their own clients. Was he just being forgetful?

Francisco

 

[KMyers]

The latest one was his "Taylor" server which he claimed was down for a DMCA complaint (on WHT). He really just didn't pay the bill.

No shock there. It is rare to see any datacenter take a server offline due to DMCA complaints unless the provider has given multiple warnings and it is still only done as a last resort. 

 

[SkylarM]

I don't get why people are so mean to their own clients. Was he just being forgetful?


Francisco

When he was renting IP space from Crissic, he was on average 15 days overdue, with multiple reminders from me personally to get payments. A big reason why we stopped selling him stuff (amongst all of the other crap)

 

[HN-Matt]

The latest one was his "Taylor" server which he claimed was down for a DMCA complaint (on WHT). He really just didn't pay the bill.

Business as usual then, I see.

The internet whispered in my ear....

Hostnun is GVH's alterego.... Alternet identity.

Or infinitely no....

Not in any sense at all.... literally never.

But for another comedy option, one might consider making a compilation of all the GVH naming schemes and alter-egos before the train-wreck crashes through the wall of Dr. Phil's studio. Whaddaya say, @drmike?

Let's see, there was Gallaeaho, Shivanthi, Amy, Taylor...

I haven't been following the travesty since mpkossen's stupid bullshit last September so those are the only ones I remember!

 

[HalfEatenPie]

Or infinitely no....


Not in any sense at all.... literally never.


But for another comedy option, one might consider making a compilation of all the GVH naming schemes and alter-egos before the train-wreck crashes through the wall of Dr. Phil's studio. Whaddaya say, @drmike?


Let's see, there was Gallaeaho, Shivanthi, Amy, Taylor...


I haven't been following the travesty since mpkossen's stupid bullshit last September so those are the only ones I remember!

Ya know.  Reminds me of someone who used to work for URPad, and then moved to CVPS, and now came "clean" with his "real name" and works at Quadranet.

I wonder who it was...

 

[Francisco]

When he was renting IP space from Crissic, he was on average 15 days overdue, with multiple reminders from me personally to get payments. A big reason why we stopped selling him stuff (amongst all of the other crap)

So in other words forced lines of credit?

I wonder what happened to that pre-ARIN IP space that could never be revoked?

Francisco

 

[drmike]

When he was renting IP space from Crissic, he was on average 15 days overdue, with multiple reminders from me personally to get payments. A big reason why we stopped selling him stuff (amongst all of the other crap)

Jonny said this wasn't factual, for what that's worth.

But for another comedy option, one might consider making a compilation of all the GVH naming schemes and alter-egos before the train-wreck crashes through the wall of Dr. Phil's studio. Whaddaya say, @drmike?


Let's see, there was Gallaeaho, Shivanthi, Amy, Taylor...

All the "employee" names, I mean aliases  You have a good memory, I giggled seeing some of those.

I wonder what happened to that pre-ARIN IP space that could never be revoked?

I am thinking that was IP space that William owned and which got revoked also.

 

[William]

I am thinking that was IP space that William owned and which got revoked also.

Went like this, can't remember 100%: A customer of mine rented him some legacy space (partly i knew who rented it, partly not, not like i cared either way, € is €) - Was cancelled ("revoked" is a strong term, i just cancelled the rental agreement with my customer as outlined by my Tos/Contract) when he fucked around with my 100TB plan (partly as revenge, partly because the customer paid not much and partly because he had only default contract and no long-term).

He later tried to rent another network from a customer, though iirc did not want to pay the new pricing.

 

[Aldryic C'boas]

Ya know.  Reminds me of someone who used to work for URPad, and then moved to CVPS, and now came "clean" with his "real name" and works at Quadranet.

I wonder who it was...

Related:  this has been in my WHT inbox for quite some time, still find it amusing:

 

[Tyler]

When he was renting IP space from Crissic, he was on average 15 days overdue, with multiple reminders from me personally to get payments. A big reason why we stopped selling him stuff (amongst all of the other crap)

I assume he dirtied the IP space that he had as well? I know he sullied Quadranet's IPs quite well.