New York - What Interest is there?

Reece-DM

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Verified Provider
So I know the VPS industry is crammed with Buffalo, NY :blink: --- But its got me thinking, there isn't many that provide VPS on a budget in other New york locations. Is it due to the high bandwidth costs? Being closer to the financial services is a huge plus for some.

What sort of plans we seeing here?  I believe Ninjahawk had NY KVM deal there which wasn't so huge compared to what you'd expect  looking between the "Normal" providers they are charging a premium for NY location.

So to be honest I'm gauging interest to see if people would be interested in a VPS line up here being OVZ based this isn't due to the endless possibilities of overcommitting a servers resources, it serves well as a virtualization and to be quite frank gets the job done superbly if configured and monitored correctly.

However due to other needs of infrastructure there is the possibility I may push either KVM/Vmware shortly after.

Were not planning on going mad, to be honest I feel sick at the mass amount of overselling which has been shown before, were probably looking at a 1:1.5 or 1:2 Ratio per GB RAM.

Anyways:

Few Facts:

- GTT & Zayo Bandwidth

- Just up the road from Wall Street  :ph34r:

- 2x Intel Xeon  E5-2620 - 24 x 2.00 GHz / Atleast 64GB RAM / 4x 3TB SATA + LSI RAID10 /  1Gbps Network

- 100% Uptime Each Month

- 10GB FTP Backup free with all VPS'

Something along the lines of:

2 Cores / 512MB RAM / 20GB RAID 10 Storage / 500GB BW $3.50 

Please tell me what you think :)
 
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notFound

Don't take me seriously!
Verified Provider
NinjaHawk, they already have some great OpenVZ offers. ;-)

More competition isn't bad though, lower prices for me. I'd say go for it, and it'd also be interesting to see if your DDoS protected network can stand up to some decent floods.
 
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Slownode

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If you want to host in New York you'll have to stand out with niche services, it's full of generics.

Storage, front-ends, pond-hoppers.
 

HalfEatenPie

The Irrational One
Retired Staff
State specifically which datacenter you'll be in (you don't have to specifically state what company your'e with but just show us your peers).  Like the specific address is all I need really.  

Ninjahawk also has servers in New York City and so does VR.org.  Their prices aren't the cheapest but I know it'll continue sustainable growth at those locations.  If you can sustain your growth at New York City at those prices then go for it, but I personally don't see how that's possible.  
 

D. Strout

Resident IPv6 Proponent
A couple of things. First, yes, I would like to see more NYC offers - no question about that. However: would there be IPv6? What network would this be through? Second, as it stands, no matter how attractive your offer, I wouldn't buy from you for one crucial reason: your website sucks. The design is actually very good, but there are literally only two pages linked that actually work. The rest (about 10 pages by my count) give 404 errors. I do not buy from providers like that under any circumstances. I would rather you didn't have a website at all than have a website like that.


But yes, I would like to see more NYC offers. Oh, and the reason having servers in NYC is expensive is because of simple physical space constraints. There's only so much space in an already crowded city, and servers take up more of it. So you get charged more. It's very expensive to run a DC there.
 
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concerto49

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Problem with New York and east coast in general now is OVH and friends. In the past a lot purchased NY/NJ/etc is European customers. Now they rather get a OVH dedicated server for similar price. I'd downscale and not go towards any east coast operations until we see how the whole fiasco pans out.
 

Francisco

Company Lube
Verified Provider
Problem with New York and east coast in general now is OVH and friends. In the past a lot purchased NY/NJ/etc is European customers. Now they rather get a OVH dedicated server for similar price. I'd downscale and not go towards any east coast operations until we see how the whole fiasco pans out.
It sounds like OVH put the fear of god in you :eek:

Fran
 

Steve

New Member
Definitely interested. There really are next to no budget providers with a proper NYC presence which is disappointing.  
 

TheLinuxBug

New Member
Nah. NY (*cough* Buffalo) has never sold too well for us.
And you think that is because of OVH? :blink:   

If I was an international customer the last place I would put my services is in CrapCrossing on their cheap mix.  I think Biloh tried to argue with me one time that they have good (European) latency.... LOL.. they tack on 20ms or more to get to European locations than actual New York city transit.  Buffalo != New York City.

 I guess if your cheap and you want something that has decent peering to Europe/USA OVH isn't the worst option, but if you are serious and have a clue I would hope that would not be your decision.  There are a lot of better providers out there with better European peering and with better support.

In short, I am not sure I agree with your generalization, at all. 

Cheers!
 
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jarland

The ocean is digital
Problem, in my opinion, would be getting people to read past a title when we're in a situation where you could toss a rock and hit 1500 new startups declaring themselves as NY VPS providers.


A NY offering with a quality blend and not racked with 40,000 other Velocity Servers clients would be a very nice thing to see more of.
 

concerto49

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And you think that is because of OVH? :blink:   

If I was an international customer the last place I would put my services is in CrapCrossing on their cheap mix.  I think Biloh tried to argue with me one time that they have good (European) latency.... LOL.. they tack on 20ms or more to get to European locations than actual New York city transit.  Buffalo != New York City.

 I guess if your cheap and you want something that has decent peering to Europe/USA OVH isn't the worst option, but if you are serious and have a clue I would hope that would not be your decision.  There are a lot of better providers out there with better European peering and with better support.

In short, I am not sure I agree with your generalization, at all. 

Cheers!
Most of the world doesn't know of Colocrossing or the things you mention (aka the hate). You'd be surprised. It's only an inner circle of people here. If the hate was that widespread they'd be out of business. ChicagoVPS and friends continue on.

New York location for us has never been that popular (compared to Texas / California) even before OVH.

All I'm saying now though is a lot of NY clients are from EU / UK. A lot of them will pick OVH over it.
 

Francisco

Company Lube
Verified Provider
Most of the world doesn't know of Colocrossing or the things you mention (aka the hate). You'd be surprised. It's only an inner circle of people here. If the hate was that widespread they'd be out of business. ChicagoVPS and friends continue on.

New York location for us has never been that popular (compared to Texas / California) even before OVH.

All I'm saying now though is a lot of NY clients are from EU / UK. A lot of them will pick OVH over it.
See that's the thing with you. You keep playing the 'I dont need this market, people should pick me because my network is better and [insert random reasons]'. You then decide to try to compete in the budget storage market (500GB for $7/m?) and seemed to have been scared by OVH.  All the while you've posted on LEB (this isn't me hating on the LE's, it's making a point that LE is a budget community).

You want to offer dedis to compete with QPS i'm assuming but you're having to look at 'budget datacenters' (colocrossing, fiberhub, HE.NET, etc). So do you like these DC's now or is it a "I have no choice"?

Sure, I wish we had level3, GBLX, Telia, etc, etc, in all DC's but I'm not going to double my prices, and completely screw my ability to later grow, just to offer something 99% of our users won't appreciate. 

You need to really decide what market you want to go after and do some real market research. You have offers going in every which direction and unless you have a ton of cash (capital or venture) that you're willing to straight up lose, you better sit down and plan it.

If you need an example of smaller brands that focused on pure quality and not super cheap prices? Check bitcable or cleverkite.

Francisco
 

concerto49

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See that's the thing with you. You keep playing the 'I dont need this market, people should pick me because my network is better and [insert random reasons]'. You then decide to try to compete in the budget storage market (500GB for $7/m?) and seemed to have been scared by OVH.  All the while you've posted on LEB (this isn't me hating on the LE's, it's making a point that LE is a budget community).

You want to offer dedis to compete with QPS i'm assuming but you're having to look at 'budget datacenters' (colocrossing, fiberhub, HE.NET, etc). So do you like these DC's now or is it a "I have no choice"?

Sure, I wish we had level3, GBLX, Telia, etc, etc, in all DC's but I'm not going to double my prices, and completely screw my ability to later grow, just to offer something 99% of our users won't appreciate. 

You need to really decide what market you want to go after and do some real market research. You have offers going in every which direction and unless you have a ton of cash (capital or venture) that you're willing to straight up lose, you better sit down and plan it.

If you need an example of smaller brands that focused on pure quality and not super cheap prices? Check bitcable or cleverkite.

Francisco
I'm not sure when I ever said I don't need the LE market. All I said was that I was not into the RAM race. The RAM race has nothing to do with the LE market.

I did say that OVH scared me. It is just best to wait for things to settle down before making a move. That is all. There's no point in rushing things out.

I never said I was not interested in the LE storage market either.

I only said NO to RAM price wars, not storage price wars.

Will be offering dedis from premium data centers. That's already in the works. The budget dedis are a separate range.

Yes, do have the capital over it. Is there a problem with appealing to more than 1 market?

No: I don't want to compete with QPS in that the sense that I won't be buying 4 year old servers and rent them out. It's not like for like.

Does this explain things? I mean to date we've not pushed out a 2gb+ RAM for $7 plan and stuck to that.
 
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Francisco

Company Lube
Verified Provider
Yes, do have the capital over it. Is there a problem with appealing to more than 1 market?
Nothing wrong with that but it looks pretty iffy when you're now shuffling back on an entire market because of OVH.

I'll have to dig around forums to find it but I know I've seen you make said comments on other threads.

Francisco
 

concerto49

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Nothing wrong with that but it looks pretty iffy when you're now shuffling back on an entire market because of OVH.


I'll have to dig around forums to find it but I know I've seen you make said comments on other threads.


Francisco
Fran: I've never said I'm pulling out. All I said was I'll delay the launch waiting to see what happens. If there is confusion, then I'm sorry it wasn't clear.

To be precise, we can't launch anything now anyway. I'm still waiting for a few things to ship regardless.

You can poke around. I think all I said was "Is there still any interest in this after the OVH incident?" asking for interest doesn't mean I'll do it or not. Even if a forum has no interest it doesn't mean the product range will be pulled. Also, even if there is a lot of interest we might not do it.
 
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Francisco

Company Lube
Verified Provider
Fran: I've never said I'm pulling out. All I said was I'll delay the launch waiting to see what happens. If there is confusion, then I'm sorry it wasn't clear.

To be precise, we can't launch anything now anyway. I'm still waiting for a few things to ship regardless.

You can poke around. I think all I said was "Is there still any interest in this after the OVH incident?" asking for interest doesn't mean I'll do it or not. Even if a forum has no interest it doesn't mean the product range will be pulled. Also, even if there is a lot of interest we might not do it.
Nope. You said that the future rests in another companies hands or something to that affect :)

Anyways, this is way off course from the OP's.

To answer the OP:

NYC would be cool but best of luck finding filtering in that area. I've yet to find a provider offering any real filtering in that area.

Francisco
 

concerto49

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Nope. You said that the future rests in another companies hands or something to that affect :)


Anyways, this is way off course from the OP's.


To answer the OP:


NYC would be cool but best of luck finding filtering in that area. I've yet to find a provider offering any real filtering in that area.


Francisco
That's what Mao said :p - maybe I was joining in the fun or poking him/her. Anyway, leave this to a PM if you want to continue. Let's not spam this. It's great that you care though! Thanks for giving me your time.
 

TheLinuxBug

New Member
Most of the world doesn't know of Colocrossing or the things you mention (aka the hate). You'd be surprised.
 

Your right, the smart ones do traceroutes and check peering of the network in the Buffalo location and realize the things I said. Cheap network mix and 20ms+ in additional latency to Europe.  The network can't even start to compare to Choopa.net which if you can't get true New York City hosting is the next best thing latency and network mix wise.  Sadly I wish those people who you say are not aware of these things who are taken in by the cheap cost of services in the location would be made aware of this, then maybe they could make a more informed decision for them selves. Call it hate if you want, but it is also the facts.

@op sorry for derailing your thread.  If you are able to find services in New York City, NY and do it at a reasonable rate, I am sure you will have some customers.  Especially if you can provide native ipv6 (another thing that CrapCrossing in Buffalo has failed at). 

Cheers!
 

Francisco

Company Lube
Verified Provider
I'm guessing you're looking at ubiquity?

From what I can tell they don't provide 'actual' DDoS filtering, it's literally just an autonull:

This system ensures that your servers are protected against collateral damage that often occurs from hosts nearby your server that are being attacked, keeping you online no matter who else on our network is being attacked. Should your server be attacked and null routed, the attack information will be e-mailed to you and also available in our Motion control panel. This includes sample flows from the attack, the IP addresses that were attacking you, what type of attack it was, and the level of traffic in both Mbps and PPS (Packets per Second).
They have a rented firewall system that can handle up to 450Mbit/sec but i've not seen a flood that small in ages.

Francisco
 
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