The great gun debate thread.

MannDude

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After a good discussion in IRC I figured I'd bring this over to the forum. We've got a culturally diverse member-base here so it's always interesting to get differing views on topics and ideas that are unknown or foreign to some people elsewhere.

As an NRA member, gun owner, and semi-active target shooter (like to go to the range at least twice a month) it's likely understood where I stand on these issues. What about you?

/queue debate :popcorn:

EDIT: FYI my avatar is not actually me. But i'm sure I'll look like that in another 10-15 years :p
 
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Its osamaManndude :D Hahaha jk.

This topic should be very active :p
 
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Also I don't think denying people the right to buy guns based on, say, criminal background or mental health would be the worst thing.

There is a difference between buying them for self-defense/hunting/sport and buying them because you think RaHoWa is on the horizon.

Also everyone buying them as some kind of "anti-tyranny" vanguard is mentally stuck in 1800s America where Patriot Missiles and tear gas and tanks don't exist - Your $300 DICK's Sporting Goods semi-auto isn't gonna do shit to stop 'tyranny'.
 

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Background checks aren't particularly effective.  I've never agreed with them.  Punishment under law is to be proximate to the misdoings of the individual and often time limited (i.e. not open ended time without end).

People intending on inflicting mortal harm randomly aren't obeying laws ever.   So prohibitions won't stop them.

To regulate in such a way entices government to quickly populate the cannot buy lists with anyone they fear, dislike, have personal issues with, etc.   The mental health entries to disqualify folks are so open ended you could amend anyones name to the list without any due process or means to be removed from said list.  

Entirely agree, a pea shooter isn't effective defense against modern war weapons.    But, it certainly is better than resorting to throwing rocks.
 

H_Heisenberg

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Guns are not the problem. The problem are the people behind them. Would you give a gun to a highly mentally instable person who tried suicide or something or a criminal? No, you wouldn't!
 
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MannDude

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I see no reason at all to own a gun. Period.
Even if you don't believe the common man should have one, they have plenty of practical use. Farmers protecting their livestock from wild animals. Hunters.

Me? I like to target practice. It's rewarding and therapeutic to spend time at the shooting range. I've been hunting a few times and enjoy it, but would never hunt for 'trophy animals'. Only time I've hunted was coyotes and raccoons in Nevada that were preying on the birds on the bird refuge I lived/worked on and rabbit and turkey hunting, both of which was food for later that day. (Rabbit and turkey population was overran there as they thrived on the feed we left for the birds that were using the property as a refuge).

I'm trying to find someone to go deer hunting with, because I love deer meat. Hard to find in the store but doable, but expensive. Would love to have my freezer full of deer burger, deer salami and of course some good home made deer jerky!

And of course, in the event someone attempted to enter my home unlawfully they'd be met with with my 45 pointed at them. A simple, "Don't fucking move" while dialing 911 will do the trick. If I felt threatened further, or they intend to place harm, then well, god rest their soul. But the vast majority of folk, I believe, would never want to do that and would be a last resort. The same type of barbaric individual that would unlawfully enter your home is the same type of individual who would may be willing or capable of doing unthinkable acts of violence towards you. Maybe they just want your TV to pawn for money for drugs, maybe they want to tie you up and dismember you slowly and sodomize you with a bowling pin (?). Either way, I'd prefer not to find out and having a gun in the home would hopefully prevent that. Luckily I live in a small town with low crime. Most folk here are friendly and well adjusted members of society. Major crime here is just drug addicts druggin' away and domestic disputes.
 
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MannDude

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I don't own a gun and probably never will, but I can think of 1 good reason to own a gun: Deer.

Seriously, fuck deer
Deer meat is sooo good. So much deer in Indiana, it's insane. I think you're in Indiana too. If I ever go deer hunting I'll ship you some jerky or salami. :)
 

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Deer meat is sooo good. So much deer in Indiana, it's insane. I think you're in Indiana too. If I ever go deer hunting I'll ship you some jerky or salami. :)
Also if you don't kill them first, they'll kill you, likely by diving through your windshield

edit: Yup, still in Indiana, and deer salami sounds good

 
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I was born and raised in Chicago that has/had (it's changing) some of the strictest gun control laws, yet has some of the highest deaths by gun. The people who typically own illegal weapons (assault) are the same people who break the law anyway. It just makes it easier for them to run into to someone's house since the inhabitants are less likely to be armed.

I was than stationed in North Carolina with much more leniant gun laws (open carry, assault weapons allowed) and I felt much safer. I think people are avoiding the issue by debating guns, when they should be figuring out what would cause another human being to kill another human being. Erase guns from existence, and people will kill with knives, take away those and rocks, etc..

Also everyone buying them as some kind of "anti-tyranny" vanguard is mentally stuck in 1800s America where Patriot Missiles and tear gas and tanks don't exist - Your $300 DICK's Sporting Goods semi-auto isn't gonna do shit to stop 'tyranny'.
I take it you've never been overseas in a tank against people with explosives (walmart quality). You'd be amazed at what a group of people with weapons can do against tanks. But I don't know why you equate tyranny with such weaponry, that isn't always the case.

If what you said was true, than we should be able to mow through a country easily with our superior firepower, but it's hard to kill human willpower with weapons
 
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Erase guns from existence, and people will kill with knives, take away those and rocks, etc..
Yeah I'm gonna bet if we had some sort of sadistic contest where we killed as many people as we could there'd be some big variance in scores between 'gun' and 'knife' and 'rock'.
 

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Yeah I'm gonna bet if we had some sort of sadistic contest where we killed as many people as we could there'd be some big variance in scores between 'gun' and 'knife' and 'rock'.
I would assume. But don't forget about the medevil weaponry. My point was no matter what is available, if someone wants to kill someone, or a large group of people they will literally use rocks. (think catapults).

I see no reason at all to own a gun. Period.
Had I not lived in a place where cops are rarely pratrolling, and on average take longer to respond than other locations, or If I lived in a privleged area my whole life I'd say the same, but I would still support the rights of others.
 
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I take it you've never been overseas in a tank against people with explosives (walmart quality). You'd be amazed at what a group of people with weapons can do against tanks. But I don't know why you equate tyranny with such weaponry, that isn't always the case.
This was just me grasping at examples for modern military tech, skipping the obvious - drones
 

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This was just me grasping at examples for modern military tech, skipping the obvious - drones
I've seen drones, but we never used any nor have I been attached to a unit with the, so I can't speak on it's effectiveness. Reportedly it's extremely accurate.

You bring up a good point, as "mainstream" technology increased, so has the "black market". Though less evolved I can see other groups attaining, creating drones. Do you think we'll be having this conversation about drones in the near future?
 
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