Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
There's a big difference between ignoring someone's comments about your person, and having to defend a business from libel. That should be obvious enough that it doesn't need to be pointed out.
The truth about Mao and BuyVM
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So, does this mean that if the mods will not protect you from libel, you will take legal action is that so ?
I think you should direct your threats towards me not the forum or Prometeus. You can easily prove in the court that you never had a network problem that I was making the whole story up and you left EGI because they were discriminating against short cabalines. What else did I claim about your company ? Refresh my memory.
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Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
I never said anything about legal action - you're making things up again. If you want to launch attacks on me because I dislike paedophiles, that's fine. I'll /ignore you all day long. But as long as you insist on spreading lies about the company I work for, I have little choice other than to waste my time correcting your fabrications.
Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
I am sorry, but you are wrong. I made other claims about the individuals Francisco and Aldryic. I proved long ago and you admitted you had a network problem as a company, I only disagree with you on the causes, nothing else is about the company, except the history everyone knows. You did have quite a few DCs, you did leave on bad terms, nobody disagrees on this, I have no idea about the dealings between BuyVM and those DCs and you say it was theirs fault, fine I am not even contesting this, I only said that anyone else than BuyVM would have looked suspicious after such an itinerary.
All my other issues are with you and rercently Francisco. As I said, BuyVM can be left alone, you two are doing a great job at driving it into the ground, you dont need my help.
DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
LOL! That's awesome. I didn't even know that was a thing.Oh, really? We can ignore anyone? I call bullshit. Proof attached.
Well, okay. I take it you can't ignore admins. Maybe mods, I don't know.
Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
Yes, yes you are. But I'll never expect an apology from you.
You didn't prove anything. Your rants back on LET were claims that we massively oversold the network. You even admitted this yourself in this thread. Now you're claiming that you called EGI's problems, and are trying to give us flack for not immediately jumping the gun.
No proof, just you continuously changing your story.
Funny how "having no idea" never stops you from opening your mouth, though. Here's a short history lesson for you:
- Hostdime: Stole from us, still owes 600$
- DirectSpace: _VERY_ shady DC; Fran worked there on a pittance for a very long time, having to sleep in what was practically a closet in the building. We left on amicable terms - the owner even helped us move the gear to EGI.
- EGI: Lied to us one too many times, tried to blame us for their networking issues. Left them on neutral terms at the end of our contract.
- ColoCrossing: Really shouldn't have to explain that one >_>
Your issues with me stem from my opinions about TOR, and how I dislike the service due to how easy it makes the propagation of child pornography. Your (recent) issue with Fran is 100% of your own doing - you have STEADILY attacked BuyVM for almost two years after realizing you had nothing on me directly. And you seriously thought Fran wouldn't lose his patience at your nonsense?
See, in one line you contradict yourself. You couldn't even "leave BuyVM alone" for the length of a single sentence. If your problems were actually with us, you would have been man enough to deal with us directly the past two years, rather than hiding behind your lies and attacks on the company.
Nope. While I admitted we disagree on the causes of your network problems as BuyVM, I only said you are throwing mud around to cover up the network problem. I say it again, we agree you had a network problem that started just when I was asking people to post speedetests, we only disagree on he causes. Math also disagrees and also logic but that is another problem.
Since we are at distant past and BuyVM issue, what is with those allegations that Fran already failed at least another company before doing BuyVM ? I am genuinely interested, I only heard it recently.
Your "opinions" were plain name-calling without any proof. If you consider proof the fact there is cp on Tor then the same is in the Internet as a whole, so you are also a child molester because you run a host and this makes internet work. Do you like this parallel ?
You will then come to say, sure, there is more CP proportionally on Tor and I have no argument other than there is no statistic about that, but even if you were right, it is the same as claiming that since more black people are in jail proportionally, then the black people are felons.
I only attacked buyvm for their network problem, it's network is still average even poorer than many hosts which are consdered worse than you, Including CVPS (the last time i checked), but it is still much-much better than the disastruos analogue modem speeds of the past.
Since we are at distant past and BuyVM issue, what is with those allegations that Fran already failed at least another company before doing BuyVM ? I am genuinely interested, I only heard it recently.
Your "opinions" were plain name-calling without any proof. If you consider proof the fact there is cp on Tor then the same is in the Internet as a whole, so you are also a child molester because you run a host and this makes internet work. Do you like this parallel ?
You will then come to say, sure, there is more CP proportionally on Tor and I have no argument other than there is no statistic about that, but even if you were right, it is the same as claiming that since more black people are in jail proportionally, then the black people are felons.
I only attacked buyvm for their network problem, it's network is still average even poorer than many hosts which are consdered worse than you, Including CVPS (the last time i checked), but it is still much-much better than the disastruos analogue modem speeds of the past.
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Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
We never denied having a networking issue. It simply took longer than we would've liked to solve it - it's hard to diagnose and fix a problem that's being hidden by your upstream.
See... with as gung-ho as you are about trying to piss on us, I'm disappointed at the punishing lack of knowledge you actually have about us. The "failed company" would be Frantech, which was a semi-managed brand targeted at gameservers (mostly Ragnarok Online). We started BuyVM with the same plans at lower cost, on the catch that said plans with BuyVM did not include management. Loads of people cancelled their Frantech services and went to BuyVM - and after awhile, we decided it would simply be better to offer 'easier to use' services at BuyVM (such as the custom RO template we had for awhile) at a lower cost, and slowly discontinued the Frantech brand. Of course, Fran being Fran we still ended up providing much more help and hands-on than "unmanaged" called for. But that's one of the things that put us where we are - we'll go above and beyond, and not ask more for it. I mean hell, we just gave *FREE* SSD upgrades to the vast majority of our OVZ plans.
Never once did I call you a paedophile, Mao. And you keep saying "name-calling"... how about you back that claim up with some proof. I tend to keep my insults high-brow.. and given your troubled grasp on English, most would've passed over your head unnoticed. I rarely resort to childish slurs to get my point across.Your
Still waiting on proof of these claims.
mpkossen
New Member
I stand corrected, I removed that part. I read it as an accusation while it wasn't.
I guess we have different definitions of friendly (no pun intended). I call a lot of things unfriendly or undecent in this thread. I think memes could have actually lightened things up a bit. But I'm not here to point fingers, sorry about that. I'm just here to defend what Mao said about Sal.
That's twisting my words. There's a big difference between being told to shut it when voicing a personal opinion, or not sharing all the information you have about a case/business (just like I am not allowed to share my employer's finances)
Look, I'll say this again, I'm just here to give my backing to the part that Mao said about Salvatore. I don't like to get involved in the fight, so really, I probably should have been briefer last night. I just think that dragging him in was a bad move and a big mistake. It's human to make mistakes, but it's common decency to apologize for them.
Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
Funny that.. seeing as how you have no problems withholding an apology for a misunderstood slight.
Of course... it is harder to man up when it's to the person you're rooting against, so I don't hold that against you.
OK, Aldryic, thanks for sharing the story about Frantech. I only heard it now.
As for the proof regarding the average network speeds I gues we will have to wait for others to post theirs , who would trust anything coming from me against the knights in shining armor Only regular people uninvolved posting speedtests managed to demolish the BuyVM myth in LET, I didnt post anything else than mathematical calculations and logical assumptions that proved to be true by third parties.
As for the proof regarding the average network speeds I gues we will have to wait for others to post theirs , who would trust anything coming from me against the knights in shining armor
Only regular people uninvolved posting speedtests managed to demolish the BuyVM myth in LET, I didnt post anything else than mathematical calculations and logical assumptions that proved to be true by third parties.
Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
No problem. I'm more than happy to clarify any questions or concerns, provided we do so like men without another 10 pages of the same thing, over and over.
To be quite fair.. threads like this are why you aren't trusted. The past few posts between us could have easily happened 13 pages ago, and there wouldn't be any of this drama. But the continued attacks, especially with no actual backing being posted, are why you weren't taken seriously.As for the proof regarding the average network speeds I gues we will have to wait for others to post theirs , who would trust anything coming from me against the knights in shining armor
Like I said, we never denied having network issues during the autumn months of our stay with EGI. What we couldn't do was _find_ them - we knew very well there were isolated instances (the folks that actually reported problems to us in ticket), we just couldn't find the cause until we realized what EGI was doing.
To be fair, you did post more. At your own admittance, you made multiple claims that:
- The network problems were because we oversold our network (we did provide evidence to the contrary)
- We restricted TOR usage because of its network use
Once Fran explained how middle/exit nodes work, we decided to update our policy and give TOR a try. Middle nodes were fine, and exit nodes required SWIP (which, at the time, required getting a /29 from us. I currently allow SWIP on /32s). The SWIP was so that the admin of the exit node could handle their own abuse issues before it got to us. But sadly, we had too many instances where people would try to run exit nodes without SWIP, or would have SWIP and completely ignore incoming abuse complaints. We actually came close to a run-in with the feds over it, so we've since updated our policy again. Middle nodes are fine, exit nodes prohibited.
Yet, you did require swip for middle nodes too (at least during our "close encounter" between man (me) and animal (pony)).
You also had exit nodes with months of uptime you knew nothing about, so the abuse generated was 0 but that might have been because the traffic was so much strangled by the network issues.
I agree exit nodes create problems, I always did, this is why I onlyhost them at home since in Romania cops are a bit more trained in internet affairs being such a connected country, but relays were never an issue and you motivated their banning because people were inadvertently setting up exits or plain did it in purpose which is the same as claiming that you deny people VPSes because they might inadvertently be hacked and host child porn or might even do it willingly.
That was the kind of rhaetoric that created the problem between us. You were unreasonable and kept claiming there is no way to differentiate exits from non-exits in spite of me expaining everything and giving relevant links for pages of text. That proved bad intent and I started to look for the real problem behind all those stunts.
Now that the initial issue has been solved, the Tor issue and the network problem issue (I always said it is enough and the truth is already known), the only remaining ones are my ban in LET and Francisco's attacks against Prometeus and Salvatore. Any idea on how to solve those issues ?
You also had exit nodes with months of uptime you knew nothing about, so the abuse generated was 0 but that might have been because the traffic was so much strangled by the network issues.
I agree exit nodes create problems, I always did, this is why I onlyhost them at home since in Romania cops are a bit more trained in internet affairs being such a connected country, but relays were never an issue and you motivated their banning because people were inadvertently setting up exits or plain did it in purpose which is the same as claiming that you deny people VPSes because they might inadvertently be hacked and host child porn or might even do it willingly.
That was the kind of rhaetoric that created the problem between us. You were unreasonable and kept claiming there is no way to differentiate exits from non-exits in spite of me expaining everything and giving relevant links for pages of text. That proved bad intent and I started to look for the real problem behind all those stunts.
Now that the initial issue has been solved, the Tor issue and the network problem issue (I always said it is enough and the truth is already known), the only remaining ones are my ban in LET and Francisco's attacks against Prometeus and Salvatore. Any idea on how to solve those issues ?
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Shados
Professional Snake Miner
Hey look, I can emphasize things too! Let's start with Fran's third PM in the screenshots you gave, notably missing from the textual list you gave later (why?):
Aaaaand suddenly it looks less like he's threatening to "hack your solus" and more like he's threatening to buy a VM from you, find some niggling little issue with it (e.g. lack of ipv6) and then complain about it endlessly on LET/vpsBoard/etc.: in other words, more or less exactly what you're doing to him. Yes, the exact words he used to say it make it somewhat ambiguous, but then that's what happens when you use conversational English and don't expect the other people in the conversation to willfully misinterpret your statements. Fran, care to confirm/deny that was the meaning you intended to convey?
Sure, he acted like a bit of a dick, but anyone (other than Gandhi) is bound to do so after two years of being harangued and insulted.
Mao, I understand how frustrating it can be to feel wronged and to fight against what you see as oppression of yourself and your right to speech, and how difficult the resulting emotional turmoil can make it to argue clearly and effectively, but if your aim here is to convince the board at large that your views are true, you re not succeeding.
If you want to convince people, you're going to need to sit down and take the time to gather & present 'proof' of your claims that has a standard of quality significantly higher than that of what you have posted so far. At minimum, you would need to post links to specific examples supporting your claims about BuyVM's network issues & their response (e.g. LET threads/posts). Proving your other claims (e.g. that BuyVM had admin/ban power and/or owned/ran LET at some point) would similarly require some sort of actual documentation clearly indicating this, rather than you just concluding it based you having been banned.
Aaaaand suddenly it looks less like he's threatening to "hack your solus" and more like he's threatening to buy a VM from you, find some niggling little issue with it (e.g. lack of ipv6) and then complain about it endlessly on LET/vpsBoard/etc.: in other words, more or less exactly what you're doing to him. Yes, the exact words he used to say it make it somewhat ambiguous, but then that's what happens when you use conversational English and don't expect the other people in the conversation to willfully misinterpret your statements. Fran, care to confirm/deny that was the meaning you intended to convey?
Sure, he acted like a bit of a dick, but anyone (other than Gandhi) is bound to do so after two years of being harangued and insulted.
Mao, I understand how frustrating it can be to feel wronged and to fight against what you see as oppression of yourself and your right to speech, and how difficult the resulting emotional turmoil can make it to argue clearly and effectively, but if your aim here is to convince the board at large that your views are true, you re not succeeding.
If you want to convince people, you're going to need to sit down and take the time to gather & present 'proof' of your claims that has a standard of quality significantly higher than that of what you have posted so far. At minimum, you would need to post links to specific examples supporting your claims about BuyVM's network issues & their response (e.g. LET threads/posts). Proving your other claims (e.g. that BuyVM had admin/ban power and/or owned/ran LET at some point) would similarly require some sort of actual documentation clearly indicating this, rather than you just concluding it based you having been banned.
I do not need to convince anyone, they wont be convinced by any proof as you have shown above, I only need to put the truth out.
I kept attacking them in the beginning trying to get the truth out in the end it was Aldryic who gve me all the bullets, he admitted how small the link is how many customers they have I only did the math considering that all customers have only one plan and that is the lowest of them all and it still didnt compute even with a 10:1 oversell.
I delievered the proof then and I ws quite happy, but then came the ban and was unhappy again. He still didnt show me what rule Ibroke.
But it is all in the past now, I only reminded people about my ban in an attempt to stop CC from walking the same path. Francisco snapped and decided he can blackmail Salvatore into kicking me. I think that was a big mistake but Iunderstand the rage somehow, he had to try something to silence me, I never said I dont understand it, all these years of denying and people still are not convinced, the times where the sayings of Francisco were the holy book of hosting are long over and the business is no longer what it was.
So, while the past was the past and I had enough revenge for what they did to me, they wanted to start it again and I dont back up I will call it all the time.
I noted though, that Aldryic has a different tone on this thread, at least towards the end. So, if they learned something, I am also ready to compromise, just have Francisco apologise and say he never meant to attack Prometeus Salvatore or SolusVM, disclose the exploit and we are done. I let them be.
I kept attacking them in the beginning trying to get the truth out in the end it was Aldryic who gve me all the bullets, he admitted how small the link is how many customers they have I only did the math considering that all customers have only one plan and that is the lowest of them all and it still didnt compute even with a 10:1 oversell.
I delievered the proof then and I ws quite happy, but then came the ban and was unhappy again. He still didnt show me what rule Ibroke.
But it is all in the past now, I only reminded people about my ban in an attempt to stop CC from walking the same path. Francisco snapped and decided he can blackmail Salvatore into kicking me. I think that was a big mistake but Iunderstand the rage somehow, he had to try something to silence me, I never said I dont understand it, all these years of denying and people still are not convinced, the times where the sayings of Francisco were the holy book of hosting are long over and the business is no longer what it was.
So, while the past was the past and I had enough revenge for what they did to me, they wanted to start it again and I dont back up I will call it all the time.
I noted though, that Aldryic has a different tone on this thread, at least towards the end. So, if they learned something, I am also ready to compromise, just have Francisco apologise and say he never meant to attack Prometeus Salvatore or SolusVM, disclose the exploit and we are done. I let them be.
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