BuyVM announces free SSD upgrades on all 256MB+ OpenVZ plans!
texteditor
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I think the boldest part is using those new-to-market EVOs
We have a ton of samsungs and we were early to market with the 830's we used in caching.
They make good, solid, drives so I don't see a real issue
Francisco
Fran, I figured you knew about this and had decided that the math still worked out ok, but just in case: the Samsung 830 is about the most write-durable SSD that ever existed, except for high end enterprise drives. It beat the Samsung 470 which was an SLC drive in endurance testing. I've been wondering whether its successor the 840 Pro does anywhere near as well. The regular 840 (non Pro) is a TLC (three level cell) drive which is known (designed) to have lower durability and it's sold as an almost-mass market consumer drive while the older drives were aimed at more hardcore users. The EVO is the updated version of the 840 and is also TLC.
There is some discussion at http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested along with some projected numbers, and the EVO is pretty well received on the anandtech forum. I personally still feel dubious about TLC, though I felt that way about MLC (2-level cell) at first too, and MLC worked out fine. If it were me I'd go with the 840 Pro among Samsung low end drives (a little under $1/GB if you shop around, vs $0.6 or so for the EVO) but even then I'd have doubts. When I hear "256MB VPS with SSD" the first thing I think is "whee, I can run a database on a VPS!", i.e. lots of small-sized random writes, a killer for write amplification. But for that I'm fine with 10GB or 15GB instead of 30GB since databases need reasonable ram-to-disk ratio, and for bulk storage there's still hard disks. I notice even cheap-kings OVH use the Intel 3500DC which is a "data center" drive at $1.50/GB or so, and my guess is it's to hold up under database workloads. It could be that most VPS users just use static storage though.
The EVO apparently has a way to set its overprovisioning (see the review) and cranking it up probably helps longevity, but increases $ per usable GB.
There are some destructive tests of older drive including the 830 here (and I think the 840 is buried in there somewhere):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm
I remember seeing another site with some tests also showing the 830 doing fantastically well, but I can't find it any more.
There is some discussion at http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested along with some projected numbers, and the EVO is pretty well received on the anandtech forum. I personally still feel dubious about TLC, though I felt that way about MLC (2-level cell) at first too, and MLC worked out fine. If it were me I'd go with the 840 Pro among Samsung low end drives (a little under $1/GB if you shop around, vs $0.6 or so for the EVO) but even then I'd have doubts. When I hear "256MB VPS with SSD" the first thing I think is "whee, I can run a database on a VPS!", i.e. lots of small-sized random writes, a killer for write amplification. But for that I'm fine with 10GB or 15GB instead of 30GB since databases need reasonable ram-to-disk ratio, and for bulk storage there's still hard disks. I notice even cheap-kings OVH use the Intel 3500DC which is a "data center" drive at $1.50/GB or so, and my guess is it's to hold up under database workloads. It could be that most VPS users just use static storage though.
The EVO apparently has a way to set its overprovisioning (see the review) and cranking it up probably helps longevity, but increases $ per usable GB.
There are some destructive tests of older drive including the 830 here (and I think the 840 is buried in there somewhere):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm
I remember seeing another site with some tests also showing the 830 doing fantastically well, but I can't find it any more.
We have some 830 64GB's that run as caches on most of our nodes and those things get trashed yet we've not had a single one die. Sure, performance has degraded but what do you expect when you write 50TB+ on a 64GB SSD? >_>
We looked over the half space option and while my survey showed that a lot of users were OK with it, we ran into issues spec'ing out disk addons. Do we offer a secondary, non SSD, drive? Meh. Supporting it in stallion wasn't difficult at all but still, not really an option i liked that much.
In the end it comes off as just a huge positive for all customers by giving it to all OpenVZ's in LV to start and later upgrade NY/NJ and the KVM's as well.
I've already looked into write volumes and am confident in the results. I won't share this data in public, though, that's for other business owners to look into themselves
Francisco
We looked over the half space option and while my survey showed that a lot of users were OK with it, we ran into issues spec'ing out disk addons. Do we offer a secondary, non SSD, drive? Meh. Supporting it in stallion wasn't difficult at all but still, not really an option i liked that much.
In the end it comes off as just a huge positive for all customers by giving it to all OpenVZ's in LV to start and later upgrade NY/NJ and the KVM's as well.
I've already looked into write volumes and am confident in the results. I won't share this data in public, though, that's for other business owners to look into themselves
Francisco
Tux
DigitialOcean? lel
They claim to be in a different facility for NY1.If I recall DigitalOcean is also in Choopa, New Jersey and they claim that it's just a few ms away too
I just think the State of New Jersey is gross.
Tux
DigitialOcean? lel
Its in NJ. Just not choopa.
Maybe they're with coloat? I know coloat has a place in Clinton or something like that? I asked them for a bid out of NJ.
We'll have an email documenting the NJ move, the SSD's, as well as our intentions to get into Europe before Christmas. Right now we're sniffing around Romania since I can work on getting some DDOS filtering, but I'll likely add NL and DE to the list.
Francisco
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Tux
DigitialOcean? lel
Their bot states it's in Weehauken or something like that. It's not Colo@.
WelltodoInformalCattle
New Member
There's an insane concentartion of providers in NL and DE. Why not send some gear to a place like MOTHER RUSSIA. In all seriousness, RO would be interesting.
That was my take on the matter too.
There's just way too many in DE/NL since hosting is cheap there.
Romania is a decent option and allows us to include fairly powerful DDOS filtering for $3/IP as well.
Whichever EU country we pick the setup will be pretty small to start. 8 OVZ nodes and 2 KVM nodes.
With things going to Choopa I'll be shoving in a 3rd KVM node since our KVM plans are usually in pretty good demand.
Francisco
There's just way too many in DE/NL since hosting is cheap there.
Romania is a decent option and allows us to include fairly powerful DDOS filtering for $3/IP as well.
Whichever EU country we pick the setup will be pretty small to start. 8 OVZ nodes and 2 KVM nodes.
With things going to Choopa I'll be shoving in a 3rd KVM node since our KVM plans are usually in pretty good demand.
Francisco
I actually can do this.
I'm giving everyone a pre-order access to my New North Korean Datacenter!
Made by hand by my cousins!
Ok besides for horribly ill-taste jokes aside.
I may or may not purchase a SSD VPS from BuyVM if this happens...
mitsuhashi
Member
IS IT THURSDAY YET?
80.