Jonny Nguyen - GreenValueHost - Raided by Police.

[DomainBop]

He has no VPS nodes.   Just shared hosting at this point.

He's out of the VPS business but the 10-yr-old migration specialist sister at last count had 54 slabbed nodes and has already turned down two acquisition offers from New Wave Net#winning (FYI, after being turned down by the 10-yr-old,  #winning set his sites on acquiring the 7 node VPS outfit operated by the lovable Canadian canine ). 

I hope Jon gets the help that he needs, and I don't think that the prison system will do him much good.

The prison system probably doesn't do much good for many people who are incarcerated for crimes like Jonny or other non-violent crimes.  Luckily for kids like Jonny, children from upper middle class and wealthy suburban communities in the US are much less likely to see the inside of a prison than those from poorer communities who are convicted for the same crimes (personal opinion: many of these spoiled privileged brats would benefit from the shock of being put in a prison environment for a few days/weeks/months)

Well, how I think about it is that no matter how you slice it, he's being screwed.

He's not being screwed.  He screwed himself.

Even after the 10 day suspension he'll likely have to do the grade over again since he was quite backlogged on work (according to Duke)

At his age he should be placing a priority on his education so once again no sympathy for him if he fell behind because he chose to play CEO rather than concentrate on his studies.  17 may not be a legal adult, but it is old enough that you should take some responsibility for your actions and decisions.

 

[Tyler]

He's not being screwed.  He screwed himself.

You're right. Couldn't agree more - this is his mess to clean up.

 

[Francisco]

You're right. Couldn't agree more - this is his mess to clean up.

His parents are going to foot the financial bill, he doesn't have enough to retain a lawyer for more than a few hours, nevermind actual court dates.

At his age he should be placing a priority on his education so once again no sympathy for him if he fell behind because he chose to play CEO rather than concentrate on his studies.  17 may not be a legal adult, but it is old enough that you should take some responsibility for your actions and decisions.

That's a recurring comment on all 3 of the major hosting forums and one I've personally said to him many times.

I think the kid just has a really screwed up ego complex that he has to feed by being the 'CEO'. If he had finally listened to everyone and just stepped out of the market and focused on school he wouldn't be trying to pull a mafia protection racket on his school.

Francisco

 

[joepie91]

The prison system probably doesn't do much good for many people who are incarcerated for crimes like Jonny or other non-violent crimes.  Luckily for kids like Jonny, children from upper middle class and wealthy suburban communities in the US are much less likely to see the inside of a prison than those from poorer communities who are convicted for the same crimes (personal opinion: many of these spoiled privileged brats would benefit from the shock of being put in a prison environment for a few days/weeks/months)

Really, the prison system doesn't do much good for anybody. It just makes people antagonistic towards society and allows for them to create 'dubious' contacts with others. It doesn't help people to 'reintegrate' into society at all.

This has been figured out (scientifically) for a while, but politics don't seem to have caught up with it yet.

 

[Munzy]

This is the same bull shit all over again, again, again, again..... again. Maybe he did this to gain another great amount of fanfare. The best thing all of you can do is close the thread in your mind and move on. He isn't worth your time, or effort. He is a lost cause, so let him become lost in his delusions. Once he realizes the world "knows" him and they would rather walk right on by him and ignore him, then he will change, not before that.

 

[drmike]

This is the same bull shit all over again, again, again, again..... again. Maybe he did this to gain another great amount of fanfare. The best thing all of you can do is close the thread in your mind and move on. He isn't worth your time, or effort. He is a lost cause, so let him become lost in his delusions. Once he realizes the world "knows" him and they would rather walk right on by him and ignore him, then he will change, not before that.

This is actually an interesting comment @Munzy.

"Maybe he did this to gain another great amount of fanfare."  --- sad to say, but the whole escalation of a non event at school and nagging the administration about the network and whatever he did thereafter, surely have the consequences of someone noticing him.

Unfortunately though, while it might be attention he seemed to crave, it's not the right type of attention and this is going to hurt him.

Dawned on me earlier, that the school aged fellow in this was sitting in class not attending to his studies.  Busy running his enterprise online. Same school folks big picture that have issues with him probably were paving that pathway to the internet during class hours. The teachers, they just let Jonny do whatever and slide by on studies while other students got different treatment.

This whole situation probably would have be non existent had the adults controlled screen time and did their jobs uniformly.   I am truly disheartened that such could go, was allowed to and continues in PRIMARY education to be more and more computer and intangible screen time during what should be education - a time to focus and clean ones mind of other external things.

 

[drmike]

... I was thinking about how a fellow could be so bad at math...  you know specials that never added up... 100TB of BW... discounts so low he'd pay you to take them.

All that smack he spread about his school being in the village of privilege and #1.

I finally went to find academic numbers for his high school and while they outpace the State of New Hampshit, they are pathetic.

NECAP testing, grade 11, year 2014 ---> ONLY 53% of the SCHOOL / DISTRICT met the MATHEMATICS standard.

Three years prior to:

56%, 50%, 40%  THAT MET THE STANDARD

Found over here --> http://www.schooldigger.com/go/NH/schools/0717000692/school.aspx

 

[Tyler]

... I was thinking about how a fellow could be so bad at math...  you know specials that never added up... 100TB of BW... discounts so low he'd pay you to take them.

All that smack he spread about his school being in the village of privilege and #1.

I finally went to find academic numbers for his high school and while they outpace the State of New Hampshit, they are pathetic.

NECAP testing, grade 11, year 2014 ---> ONLY 53% of the SCHOOL / DISTRICT met the MATHEMATICS standard.

Three years prior to:

56%, 50%, 40%  THAT MET THE STANDARD

Found over here --> http://www.schooldigger.com/go/NH/schools/0717000692/school.aspx

Well, we all knew he didn’t do the math on his offers. I figured it was because he was lazy. Turns out he didn’t know how to do the math.

 

[HN-Matt]

This is actually an interesting comment @Munzy.

"Maybe he did this to gain another great amount of fanfare."  --- sad to say, but the whole escalation of a non event at school and nagging the administration about the network and whatever he did thereafter, surely have the consequences of someone noticing him.

Like who, the professional publicists and investigative journalists of Dramathread Industries? Have they launched their internet detective wing yet?

 

[Robert]

Like who, the professional publicists and investigative journalists of Dramathread Industries? Have they launched their internet detective wing yet?

"Started by drmike, Yesterday, 07:31 AM"

 

[drmike]

Like who, the professional publicists and investigative journalists of Dramathread Industries? Have they launched their internet detective wing yet?

The someone noticing him part would be the school district workers, a court to sign a warrant, officers / agents investigating, a prosecutor, his parents, etc.

"Started by drmike, Yesterday, 07:31 AM"

and your point?  Mine is if youths like you weren't creating dramas there wouldn't be many  

I expected at least a golf clap for Jonny -  from you - considering your prior alleged conduct hacking at things...  Just saying...

 

[Munzy]

It is very hard to fathom a rational response to an emotionally driven event.

Most school districts have small internet pipes, and can be easily saturated (1gbps or less). It is also right around now that testing is going on, and this year many states are adoption online testing. With that in mind it would be very easy to conceive that someone DDOSed the schools internet port to halt the testing. However, this probably won't be enough to catch someone and get them charged. However, if you go around bragging about your exploits at school stating that you were the cause of not being able to take the online test, then you might get a lot of fanfare, and a little after a nice visit to the deans office. Johnny isn't smart, but he isn't extremely dumb either. It would be easily conceivable that Johnny bragged to his class mates, and they reported it to the staff, and alas they called the police, especially if this halted a state mandated test.

@drmike I don't think that there test scores actually show anything of value. Testing in the US is very out of whack and many tests don't do students justice. Currently most schools teach there students how to test smart, instead of more valuable things such as what the proper usage of there / their / they're would be. (I actually was in special education for English, I have come quite a way)

If he was really failing in his education, then no child left behind would have kicked in. Which would have given him lots of extra help, unless parents intervened or they determined he just wasn't trying.

 

[HalfEatenPie]

 

Like I've said about others in final years of US high school for smart folks IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS - it's a bad fit / waste of their time / waste of taxpayer funding.

He can / should test out of school - get his high school graduation diploma / certificate / equivalent.  

Enroll in the IB Program (from a certified public school).  Was in it since elementary.  My classmates varied from local universities (our local public university is still considered one of the best in the States) to Princeton, Cornell, etc.  Don't knock on all public schools  

Honestly I believe everyone should be focusing on education at that age.  Some people knock on college as a waste of time, however I personally think you get what you put in.  Knowledge is something no-one can take away from you and will help you regardless in the future.  Of course I'm biased and I'm assuming more development in critical thinking and ethics, but for some people they seem to completely avoid them.  

 

[drmike]

1. Johnny isn't smart, but he isn't extremely dumb either. It would be easily conceivable that Johnny bragged to his class mates, and they reported it to the staff, and alas they called the police, especially if this halted a state mandated test.

2. @drmike I don't think that there test scores actually show anything of value. Testing in the US is very out of whack and many tests don't do students justice. Currently most schools teach there students how to test smart, instead of more valuable things such as what the proper usage of there / their / they're would be. (I actually was in special education for English, I have come quite a way)

3. If he was really failing in his education, then no child left behind would have kicked in. Which would have given him lots of extra help, unless parents intervened or they determined he just wasn't trying.

1. Seems spot on.  Socially cool points happen in awkward kids with seemingly harmless albeit criminally stunts.  DDoS is rampant.  Hell for all we know he was selling such in school  But the DDoS sounds to be icing on this cake - it's just the second part of the issue after hack attempts.

2. Test scores - testing is entirely flawed but it is something.  Even unschoolers apply some tests to their young students to gauge which way the wind is blowing.   I love getting on public school test scores because we all spend an outrageous amount funding "basic education" which takes these pros 13 years and now they want to hijack younger ones for pre-school.  With all that education indoctrination - 8 hours x 180 days x 12 years = 17,280 HOURS and these mass fails.  

I'd think rational taxpayers would be calling for reform.  Sure change the testing, hire some experts, something.  Math performance was terrible though - whole state of NH is embarrassing from the State Standardized tests. 

Yeah I continue to see the byproducts of public education decade after decade.  I think the experiment and great cost are not netting value.  Time for much revision.

It is often said that all it takes is 2000 hours of doing anything and one should have a HIGH professional level of knowledge / ability.   2k hours dedicated to ehhh reading and yeah, basic skill should happen - along with comprehension part.  2k hours playing ahh tennis and one should be highly competitive

3.  He wasn't failing.  Too many teachers kept giving him special treatment - like reports way overdue and no penalty.  Multiple teachers.  Other problem where his coursework wasn't his own either.  Let's say he was using outsourcing and people in roles should have smelled that from miles away.

 

[Bruce]

http://thestack.com/teen-hires-hacker-ddos-attack-school-district-260515

latest trend? DoS your school !

 

[MattKC]

For now my friend, for now.There's always some host out there hurting to sell inventory.Francisco

And Duke planned to allow him to sell vps again just a few weeks ago "to help repay his debts". Double talk abounds in the gvh/xfuse/tacvps saga.

 

[MartinD]

And this, kids, is why you need a good hard slap from your parents every once in a while.

All this mollycoddling of people who fuck up (intentionally) ends up with this. If people started calling a spade a spade, we'd see a lot less of it.

His fault this time, his fault the previous 20 occasions, too, yet people still pull Mother Theresa mode. In many ways, others share some of the blame here.

 

[Enterprisevpssolutions]

And this, kids, is why you need a good hard slap from your parents every once in a while.

All this mollycoddling of people who fuck up (intentionally) ends up with this. If people started calling a spade a spade, we'd see a lot less of it.

His fault this time, his fault the previous 20 occasions, too, yet people still pull Mother Theresa mode. In many ways, others share some of the blame here.

So true kids never get the same punishment that was given when I was a kid it's considered abuse now lol. I am successful and have a family of my own a little slap now and then is needed to put them in their place but embarrassment works also if you use it at the right time. Kids get what they want and do what they want with little to no punishment and this is why they have poor work ethic and no communication skills. I hate to say it but The US is failing when it comes to the way most families raise kids nowadays because of the way we punish parents for being parents. To all the people that don't have kids and have an option on how parents need to punish them I say you need to get a kid first and then talk about how to raise them.  opcorn:

 

[drmike]

So true kids never get the same punishment that was given when I was a kid it's considered abuse now lol. I am successful and have a family of my own a little slap now and then is needed to put them in their place but embarrassment works also if you use it at the right time. Kids get what they want and do what they want with little to no punishment and this is why they have poor work ethic and no communication skills. I hate to say it but The US is failing when it comes to the way most families raise kids nowadays because of the way we punish parents for being parents. To all the people that don't have kids and have an option on how parents need to punish them I say you need to get a kid first and then talk about how to raise them.  opcorn:

As a parent of more than one child I'll tell you it is necessary that your children respect you and others.   Point where that stops they need beat a down a notch or three and the belt or a good old fashion go fetch a switch for a whooping needs pursued.  The child protection people that may come knocking probably need a few beatings if they aren't reasonable - be it only legally so.

I expect screw ups from kids.   Minor screw ups, smart mouths, occasional forgetfulness about respect.  I expect the bad stuff in other families where the parents aren't hawk eyed and tending to their kids at all.

Remember we live in an age where families, babysitters, etc. have been replaced by cable television and the internet.  Do we wonder why neglected children (ones where parents are not paying attention) end up on such wrong paths?  Not like TV and internet are a safe haven for susceptible young minds.

I agree up to here:

"The US is failing when it comes to the way most families raise kids nowadays "

I'd argue most families aren't raising their kids, period.  First chance most parents get to dump their kids off on someone else, they take it.  This is such an outrageous FACT in cities (US specific here).

Use to be in this country that your child couldn't enter first grade until he/she knew how to read.  Who taught reading?  Obviously the parents / family.  Now they delegate such things and everything else vital to child rearing to random government endorsed entities.  

I remain scratching my head about people and their choice to have children.  If you aren't taking the time to be there and to teach  and to raise your children then why bother?  Is it all just for evidence sake that you actually had sex once in your life or is it for the tax deductions / welfare program free hand outs? <-- to me these enticements are too similar.  No real work effort is required for either and nowhere on forms do they ask you to legitimate you actually are a parent.  Nope all you need to show is some form of custody and justification that you pay for said child[ren] to some degree.

 

[KMyers]

It seems like Jonny snuck out to a public library or a friends house to borrow a computer to post a statement on WHT. Popcorn at the ready guys!

Noone that is not authorized by me has access to any sort of client data and the company will go on. I have no intention of shutting down the company because we've been keeping a good track record since our relaunch and have been serving a happy customer base, and that's what we're going to continue to do.

As for my personal issues, I can confirm that my laptops and cell phone have been taken away from me. I maintain my innocence in the matter as well as my assertion that any and all accusers are misunderstanding the situation at hand. I've been pinned as a suspect because of my innocent attempts to gather (publicly accessible) information to show to the appropriate persons of possible vulnerabilities, weaknesses, and disorganization in such network. My technical explanations for what I did (and my offer to demonstrate what I did, how I did it, and how any innocent person could replicate it) were not accepted. To give a general idea of what I'm trying to deal with, I'm being told that my direct SSH connections to my company's servers (to assist customers) constitutes "hacking" and "circumventing the network". At this time I'm looking for a local technical expert that is familiar with computer networking to accompany me in a meeting to provide a technical explanation for my innocent and harmless actions within the network, and I have no doubt that I will be able to resolve this dispute.

Now, again, back to the company. Everything will go on and we will continue our operations, it's just that because of how busy I am now, progress on improvements may be slower than if this situation were not existent.

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