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drmike

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completely isolated from society in the woods, you are certainly gonna cause collateral damage. 
hahaha

and....

this...

is why police use hollow points and so do I in handguns.

... I should explain... hollow points lack frontal solid mass... so the hit and splash basically.  nice larger hole... more trauma and likelihood of taking out something vital... in doing so they don't have habit of going through you, and the drywall and into another room and striking someone watching TV.

never mind the fact that they make a mess out of you and much likelier to kill you. 
 
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vRozenSch00n

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Sadly, if you're in my country and you're not filthy rich and can buy out gun license, even a 5.5mm air rifle gun will get you into trouble and you will be treated as a te****ist. :(

The only gun I have now is only the one that shoots some web substance. :p  
 

Magiobiwan

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The issue with some cops not having the best accuracy is because they don't get enough training. WHY? Because money. Welcome to the world of politics. 
 

ChrisM

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Slightly more on topic...although I am an NRA Life Member gun freak, I hate gun shows. Too much off-topic junk, stuff is overpriced, have to pay admission + parking, etc. Stopped going years ago.


I much prefer either dealing with a good local dealer or buying privately.

NRA member here to! :)

I have to agree on the prices of things you can get guns there at a pretty good price. But as for accessories and ammo the prices are outrages. There are things i've seen at gun shows that I can getting online for a 1/4 of the price even with shipping.

The one I went to today was at the Casino near my house, it's only $6 to get in and you get $5 back in free play for the casino which I am a regular visitor to. 
 

MannDude

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The issue with some cops not having the best accuracy is because they don't get enough training. WHY? Because money. Welcome to the world of politics. 
That can't be true, because we militarize the shit out of our cops by giving them vehicles that were deployed to Afghanistan in wars, full swat attire for them to serve warrants, etc. On top of that, they get tons of free shit (individually) from shops to encourage their presence. That's why you see cops hanging out at gas stations all the time. Free coffee, free snacks, and a place to chill until they get a call to go do something. Same reason businesses give them discounts (to encourage their presence). On top of that, around here at least, they do pretty alright. They don't make doctor or lawyer money, but then again it's a job all you need a HS diploma or GED to do at minimum. But money wise, they do alright. (I understand in some cities cops get paid shit, around here, with our low cost of living, they're above average on the pay scale).

I forget what the original training consists of, but you pretty much just have to shoot a paper target enough times in the kill-zone and you're good. I forget how often you have to re-qualify. So, unless a copy is a gun enthusiast himself he may only shoot a gun in his career as a police officer only when needed to re-qualify.

Most hobbyist like to go to the range as often as possible, or shoot in their backyard if they live in a rural area where it is safe to do so (proper backstop).

I've got my lifetime license to carry a firearm, I never have to renew it (only update my address when/if I move). My state of Indiana publishes all statistics regarding carrying licenses (which is NOT needed to own or possess a firearm, only needed to carry it on you either concealed or openly) here: http://www.in.gov/isp/2963.htm Keep in mind Indiana has about 6.5 million residents. Add the numbers, do the math and try to figure out what percentage this state alone has between legal, law abiding citizens to carry. Then forget that number and realize that it's not at all an accurate representation of Joe farmer down the street or Marry so-and-so who has guns legally, but just doesn't have a carry license.

What am I ranting about? I forget. Oh yeah, cops and guns. Why do people call the cops in situations where they feel that their life may be in some sort of danger? Because they want to roll the dice and see if they can survive another 15 minutes waiting for a cop to show up? No, that can't be it. Oh yeah, because cops have guns. And most cops, as mentioned above, just do the bare minimum of what is required of them to carry on the job.

I'm not knocking cops. They have a relatively boring job unless in a crime ridden city, round here most of them do paperwork after responding to mundane disturbances with the odd day of excitement. It's not a job I would want to do.
 

raindog308

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I have to agree on the prices of things you can get guns there at a pretty good price. But as for accessories and ammo the prices are outrages. There are things i've seen at gun shows that I can getting online for a 1/4 of the price even with shipping.
I've never understood the economics of the gun market.  From what I've read, guns themselves are nearly zero profit, especially now that the Internet is available.  Gun dealers charge, say, $25 to handle an Internet transaction and often that's about the profit they make selling guns.  One guy told me they just mark the guns up $50.  How many is the typical shop going to sell in a month?

Ammo is probably even worse because there the competition with the Internet is a lot keener.

I assume the real money is in the accessories, the special services, customizing, high-end speciality stuff like black rifles or fancy pants birding shotguns or gunsmithing work.
 

RLT

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Cops:

60 to 90 minutes to show in this area.

Shoot one magazine once a year for qualifications. 

Notorious for lousy aim in crisis situations. We have a local case where a cop in a raid shot a girl sitting on a couch in a negligent discharge.

Reason smaller caliber ammo was adopted by most armed forces is that one out of twenty rounds fired hits the target. So have them carry more ammo to send more rounds downrange.

The entire cops and soldiers are so well trained and such perfect fighting machines is a total baseless myth perpetuated by the anti gun/ peace on earth crowds. The countries with the most draconian anti personal defense laws are the ones that have the "militias" fighting wars in the streets and war lords controlling parts of countries.

Whenever I was in a firefight my biggest fear was the over hyped gung hos that were supposed to be on my side.

One other point lets send the brits the wild dogs and coyotes that roam around here. Let them be trapped in their houses watching the packs go down the roads.
 

jarland

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Nice buys!

Boo to the haters. You can't fix humanity by not buying a gun, but when you need to protect the people you love you do what you have to do. Yeah life sucks, people suck, and yeah if everyone would just do their part maybe life and people wouldn't suck, but they won't because everyone's a bunch of selfish pricks. Come down to Houston and spend a week, if you never have, and you'll agree that the best way to live out your life in peace is to make sure anyone who wants to mess with you can't. If you're willing to sacrifice yourself in favor of your faith in humanity, thumbs up from me, but it was just a few weeks ago I couldn't come home for hours because some jackass busted in an apartment across the street and shot 5 people, and this is the "good" side of town. Me not buying a gun wouldn't have stopped that, but had it been my apartment and I didn't have a gun and I watched my wife take a bullet...there's no amount of "values" or "greater good" that would comfort me, nor any of you in the same situation. It's easy to think you could watch everyone around you die and sit there with a smile on your face thinking "I didn't contribute to the problem that killed everyone I love" but I guarantee it won't be that easy if the day ever comes. If you think it won't ever come, you must not pay attention. It happens within 15 miles of me every week. Defenseless people gunned down for whatever reason some idiot felt like. I promise, doesn't matter where you live in the US, the police won't show up until it's already finished. If that's not true where you live, congrats. Anyone who walks in my door unannounced leaves in a bag. Just the way it is.

The selfish and cruelty of humanity predates guns. You could take away every gun in the world and you wouldn't do a bit of good because people are shit. If the only weapon people have are their teeth, everyone will walk around drooling blood. Humanity cannot be changed by oppression.
 
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AMDbuilder

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Very Nice!  The gun shows in my area definately fall in the rippoff catagory. We do have some great local gun shops on the other hand.  I have always found them very helpful, competative on pricing, and they give customers first dibs on ammo.

I know several people with close ties to law enforcement in our area, and have been told on several occasions my grouping is outstanding in comparison.  Generally the officers just want to go home when their shift ends, so making time for the range isn't as high a priority.  Lately, there have been more shootings in our area so I suspect the officers are getting more range time.

Regardless, if there was ever a question of my safety or those around me, there is no question who will be in the bag.  I hope it never comes to that, but it's prefered to the alternative.
 

blergh

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I find it lulzy that all the pro-gun people in here are NRA members, what gives?
 

Aldryic C'boas

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I find it lulzy that all the pro-gun people in here are NRA members, what gives?
The NRA is one of the few groups actively fighting for gun rights.  Those of us that have firearms and intend to keep them typically tend to support an organization that tries to prevent our weapons being taken from us.  You don't have to personally agree with the NRA philosophies to help support that.
 

Nick_A

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Oh man, this thread. I have a feeling that anything said to advocate for responsible gun ownership here would just spark fruitless debate, so I'm just going to mention that I enjoy guns and have a nice collection started.

I'm also a Ruger fanboy :)

Edit: It's also interesting to see who else shares this particular interest.
 
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MannDude

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I am? Pretty sure I would remember that :p
Don't. I'm an NRA member but they seem to spend more time and money mailing their members twice a week and calling them up asking for more. I probably won't renew my membership. There are other, better organizations (IMO) that utilize their funds better.
 

BaconFart

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Don't. I'm an NRA member but they seem to spend more time and money mailing their members twice a week and calling them up asking for more. I probably won't renew my membership. There are other, better organizations (IMO) that utilize their funds better.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. They are not the best gun rights organization out there but sadly they have the biggest voice. I've always been a fan of GOA - gunowners.org. They seem to be gaining momentum and I don't constantly get harassed for more money in return for a sticker and a stupid bag.
 

Damian

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