PayPal Questions Legality of Encrypted Email

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  1. DomainBop

    DomainBop Dormant VPSB Pathogen

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    statement: https://protonmail.ch/blog/paypal-freezes-protonmail-campaign-funds/

    news article: http://rt.com/news/169588-paypal-freeze-payments-protonmail/
     
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  2. raindog308

    raindog308 vpsBoard Premium Member Moderator

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    I suspect the real reason is that they don't want to be hassled with all of the government search warrants that will accompany providing financial services to that organization.

    May even be the result of government regulation, e.g. "as a bank, there are special rules that say you're not allowed to deny service to a customer just because you choose to, but if you want make up a good reason then you can".  But I'm guessing.
     
  3. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

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    What the hell is wrong with PayPal?.... Crypto is legal and better always be.

    This was crowd funding... not people paying for such a service.... I wonder if the chip in donations have been deducted from accounts of folks and PayPal is sitting on them?

    Long term if this alterna-crypto-mail service sees the light of day, first task at hand is to NOT accept traditional banking  payments and PayPal.  Alterna currencies, cash, gift cards, etc.
     
  4. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

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    and it looks like PayPal is caving under public pressure:

     
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  5. drmike

    drmike 100% Tier-1 Gogent

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGQCMIhFmR8
     
  6. Cloudrck

    Cloudrck Member Verified Provider

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    Is he also unsure about encrypting web traffic? What about database information?
     
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  7. AuroraZero

    AuroraZero Active Member

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    I was thinking about setting something like up just the other day. Not in the U.S. of course but was not completely sure of hassle I would be in for with the regulations if U.S. citizens and companies used the service. Also being a U.S. citizen myself I am not sure what regs would be put on me as a person or business. In other words not sure if it would be worth the hassle or not right now.
     
  8. DomainBop

    DomainBop Dormant VPSB Pathogen

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    If the email service is run by an American person/company it's subject to U.S. laws even if the hosting is done outside the U.S. tl;dr the US government could make your life a living hell if you try to resist their requests
     
  9. AuroraZero

    AuroraZero Active Member

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    That is exactly as I figured it and one reason why I am probably not going to be doing do this as a business. The potential fall out not just for me but for my family would the worst part. I could take the heat, as I am the one doing the business, but my family should be left out of it. I know they would not be though when I did not bough down to them.
     
  10. serverian

    serverian Well-Known Member Verified Provider

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    Am I having a stroke of they just integrated PGP with JS on a web mail interface and earned $270K?
     
  11. perennate

    perennate New Member Verified Provider

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    It was some Paypal representative who doesn't know much, who cares. The issue here is Paypal froze ProtonMail's funds without warning, not that one of their employees said some stupid things.
     
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  12. Hxxx

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    Crypto is legal as long as the government has the method to decrypt it. As always.