GreenValueHost tells their non high paying clients to GTFO
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Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
Now that is some interesting information.
On his website you can still order shared hosting. If your going to make a decision to stop offering it then perhaps update your website.
DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
He just posted an updated version of that 4GB/$5 offer on LET tonight. Disk space increased to 225GB, IPv4 increased to 2.
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drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Can you say #FAIL.
Mind you, again, I hate to see any company fail, but lowering your trousers to that level and saying just take it is insanity.
DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
search: http://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/index.jsp
a couple of articles explaining "not in good standing" status
http://www.corporatedirect.com/good-standing-are-you-in-good-standing/
http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=e93e60fa-1b0d-4b11-bdaf-632c1c4c0e59
tl;dr of those 2 articles is companies not in good status can't sign contracts (for example, a TOS contract) and the officers could potentially be held personally liable for anything that occurs during the period the company isn't in good standing
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drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Good points and work @DomainBop!
The tl;dr = GreenValueHost is not compliant with the State of Illinois for their incorporation. They've failed to do something, be it filing fees, annual reports, whatever. Therefore the corporation is little to no value and all liability should now fall personally on the corporate operators.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
WTF.
So GreenValue dumps users on their head and migrates them to HVH, the cPanel shared clients. You'd expect them to be out of shared hosting (i.e. not profitable). But no.
Today, on WHT, a freaking sales job for more shared hosting from them.
Link: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1323101
As Damian from ipxCore pointed out elsewhere:
So GreenValue dumps users on their head and migrates them to HVH, the cPanel shared clients. You'd expect them to be out of shared hosting (i.e. not profitable). But no.
Today, on WHT, a freaking sales job for more shared hosting from them.
Link: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1323101
Why wouldn't you / didn't GVH migrate existing customers to their new "cloud" shared hosting?
As Damian from ipxCore pointed out elsewhere:
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Basically Jon claims it was too difficult to migrate the 'non cloud' shared cpanel users to the cloud based one lol.
But hey people still want to support his actions and buy into a service that is bound to collapse again.
But hey people still want to support his actions and buy into a service that is bound to collapse again.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
It gets better... Just in past hour, along comes a flowery review of GVH's shared hosting, even though the customer is being dumped off with someone else.
This is from WHT:
Link: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=8917198
Come on now. Whole situation is utter disbelief. Here we have in theory a company just transferring away customers and their data to another company. A company with HACKER CHILDREN doing ticketing and other support. Customers should know who they are dealing with and the records of such company failures should be preserved for all of history.
Either:
A. They owed invoices to HVH/CC, or
B. Incompetent and couldn't migrate users (why not just leave them parked on server then) or,
C. Part of the shell company BS over at CC.
Contracts don't just transfer over and GVH seems to lack proper legal documents covering such along with privacy.
If we believe cPanel was unprofitable and thus dumped, how are we supposed to believe that something "cloud" maybe involving OnApp (wasn't that said somewhere?) is going to be profitable.
My face hurts from all the facepalm on this mess.
This is from WHT:
Link: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=8917198
So let me get this straight, the shared cPanel hosting was sold/transferred to HVH, but GVH is going to continue to support those customers even though they are on other company's servers?
Come on now. Whole situation is utter disbelief. Here we have in theory a company just transferring away customers and their data to another company. A company with HACKER CHILDREN doing ticketing and other support. Customers should know who they are dealing with and the records of such company failures should be preserved for all of history.
Either:
A. They owed invoices to HVH/CC, or
B. Incompetent and couldn't migrate users (why not just leave them parked on server then) or,
C. Part of the shell company BS over at CC.
Contracts don't just transfer over and GVH seems to lack proper legal documents covering such along with privacy.
If we believe cPanel was unprofitable and thus dumped, how are we supposed to believe that something "cloud" maybe involving OnApp (wasn't that said somewhere?) is going to be profitable.
My face hurts from all the facepalm on this mess.
My guess would be he owes/owed money to HVH and they cut some sort of deal. Who knows.
Why not transfer the customers from the old CP servers to the new 'cloud' based ones? cPanel makes that REALLY easy to do and you get to not only keep the customers but the income they generate.
My guess is that he is offering SSD shared hosting now on a hypervised environment, a VM or two with underlying SSDs. The issue is that he likely cannot fit the customers within the infrastructure available due to cost/resource availability of the actual SSDs. Since the business is cashflow negative and only operated by 1 person, the decision was made to extend the life a little. Unfortunately its probably hurt more than helped.
The fact that he is returning to unlimited roots will yield the same results as what just happened. Doors will close no matter what. Hes got the new SSD 'cloud' based cPanel shared hosting but still offering unlimited// this and that. This will once again drive away his income and lower the quality.
Running VMs as production servers for shared environments generally dont work.
This has been detailed many times in the past. The negative reviews are all basically the same complaints, the responses are the same hostile remarks.
There have been numerous times in the past prior to HVH that he ends up with 0 funds and charges back and or leaves providers. One of them me (this is public put forth by Jon himself and so not a breach of anything private) - Still owes my company money and others.
Its just over, thats it. Send a email to everyone apologize and leave it.
Why not transfer the customers from the old CP servers to the new 'cloud' based ones? cPanel makes that REALLY easy to do and you get to not only keep the customers but the income they generate.
My guess is that he is offering SSD shared hosting now on a hypervised environment, a VM or two with underlying SSDs. The issue is that he likely cannot fit the customers within the infrastructure available due to cost/resource availability of the actual SSDs. Since the business is cashflow negative and only operated by 1 person, the decision was made to extend the life a little. Unfortunately its probably hurt more than helped.
The fact that he is returning to unlimited roots will yield the same results as what just happened. Doors will close no matter what. Hes got the new SSD 'cloud' based cPanel shared hosting but still offering unlimited// this and that. This will once again drive away his income and lower the quality.
Running VMs as production servers for shared environments generally dont work.
This has been detailed many times in the past. The negative reviews are all basically the same complaints, the responses are the same hostile remarks.
There have been numerous times in the past prior to HVH that he ends up with 0 funds and charges back and or leaves providers. One of them me (this is public put forth by Jon himself and so not a breach of anything private) - Still owes my company money and others.
Its just over, thats it. Send a email to everyone apologize and leave it.
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This is a very reasonable thing and it's what came to mind. "They can't offer gobs on pure SSD storage, it's just not reasonable".
Now there's the unlimited thing, though, which washes that whole point away. It's also possible it's ssd cached and not pure SSD. There has been a rather large increase on WHT of hosts claiming SSD cached is "just as good" as pure SSD storage.
Francisco
Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
For someone so quick to stand up and defend his upstream (CC)... why isn't GVH defending himself here?
mikho
Not to be taken seriously, ever!
My personal opinion is that GVH sold out all customers because of the new cloud version.
Wouldn't be easy to make all existing customers pay more for something they might not be interested in.
Having the close ties to HVH, it was all or nothing.... All customers or the deal wouldn't happen.
Possible scenario?!
Wouldn't be easy to make all existing customers pay more for something they might not be interested in.
Having the close ties to HVH, it was all or nothing.... All customers or the deal wouldn't happen.
Possible scenario?!
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Sure, that's very probable.
There was/is a migration path and they refused to use it.
It's strange to sell products at a loss, then decide it's not profitable. If anything, the shared cPanel is more scalable and abuseable than VPS. I see big fat VPS plans that they are selling at last check on E3 32GB boxes... $5 a month for 4GB RAM + 200GB+ of disk.
Me I am about to spent $30 with them and fill their box. Put them out of their misery.
DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
...is very young and lacking in business experience. Read this thread for an example http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/16794/fully-managed-server-require tl;dr OP looking for a fully managed VPS for $20 monthly and GVH jumps in with an offer for "Just $10, which is HALF the price you requested."
Well, from what I was told it's simply a case of the customers were using too many resources across the 2 VM's that were being used for cPanel. As the nodes themselves are loaded up higher than your average crackhead, he didn't really have much choice. Overselling VM nodes by a factor of 300(!) it doesn't leave much room to grow out VM's when needed.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Hey look at their upstream. They are kind of known for the mass slum loading of servers and selling imaginary resources. They have the formula down pretty good.
Load up SSD flash cache, map SSDs as active RAM / active RAM swap.
Possible on an E3? Sure.
Wizardry, a little bit.
All they need now is a LEB offer.
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