drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Yeppers boss, they are a VPS provider:
http://www.bigscoots.com/
Maybe they have paid services / pro outsourcing...
GreenValueHost becoming ColoCrossing, dumping providers, etc.
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http://www.bigscoots.com/
Maybe they have paid services / pro outsourcing...
No he doesn't... Unless he got hired somewhere else after ASO and his temporary stepping stone after that.
Oh ok, im sure there's a executive level opening at GVH now he can peruse.No he doesn't... Unless he got hired somewhere else after ASO and his temporary stepping stone after that.
DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
Definitely, and it is to be expected when someone hires poorly vetted skids and fires them.
I think the biggest concern right now is that neither Jon or anyone on his "staff" are knowledgeable enough to do the required security analysis that should be done after a hacking
Since customer information was compromised, including their WHMCS billing information, Jon also needs to follow the legally mandated notification procedures that 46 states have in place, and he doesn't get an out from doing this. It's not an option, and posting some bullshit pseudo press release on LET won't even come close to meeting the legal requirements.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
The inside part is always a consideration. There were obviously quite a few people inside and 3rd party firms who knows who doing what along the way....
Hate to say it, but, textbook example of why to have limited people in your business, ever.
No secret either that policies/passwords/etc. probably weren't up to standards on complexity, rotation, etc. I'd find the info, but Google says I am over quota for tonight
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Bop, you bad bad man.... Have we found 1 company complying yet? I tell you, with all the hungry lawyers out there, I see a lawsuit niche. Time for a precedent.
Such onerous regulations. Totally unsuitable for agile, next generation movers and shakers
(with lousy ratio of customers to real employees)...Hell maybe he can direct a third world help desk to comply via Fiverr?
Hxxx
Active Member
Inside job definitely.
Data leaks is something every provider is worried about 24/7, even if you are investing money into it, is never guaranteed (WHMCS exploits, SolusVM exploits // 0 days ,etc). Quite unfortunate this happened to them. Still it can happen to anyone.
Nice to see everyone concerned about Jon and all of that. Is good to know that some people still have honor and humanity.
Still what was the purpose of all the circle show? I feel this was a successful marketing strategy.
I also see Jon commenting instead of the guy appointed as CEO(that worked for EIG). Whatever happened to that? I though Mr Jon was going to do sales, however he seem to be the only one worried about GVH.
Drama, I need to leave some references:
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Data leaks is something every provider is worried about 24/7, even if you are investing money into it, is never guaranteed (WHMCS exploits, SolusVM exploits // 0 days ,etc). Quite unfortunate this happened to them. Still it can happen to anyone.
Nice to see everyone concerned about Jon and all of that. Is good to know that some people still have honor and humanity.
Still what was the purpose of all the circle show? I feel this was a successful marketing strategy.
I also see Jon commenting instead of the guy appointed as CEO(that worked for EIG). Whatever happened to that? I though Mr Jon was going to do sales, however he seem to be the only one worried about GVH.
Drama, I need to leave some references:
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DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
The majority of companies that are run like real companies do comply, but if you're talking about companies like GVH than probably not because a large portion of them are even more clueless about business 101 than they are about the technical side.
There already is a lawsuit niche and there are plenty of horror stories of small companies that have been financially devastated after getting hit with lawsuits from customers, fines from card issuers and governments, etc after a hacking. Luckily for the average company in the low low low end sector, the kids, skids, and spammers that many of these companies cater to are unlikely to take legal action.
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Data breaches can happen to any company in any industry, but if you're reckless in your hiring practices like GVH and don't properly vet the people who you give system access to then you greatly increase the risk of being compromised.
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drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Oh you missed that in the mega thread.. Jonny fessed up on that LET thread that he lied and manufactured the whole shebang - the new CEO or whatever...
Big picture, I don't think many folks want to get anywhere near GVH right now, in any capacity. Tyler/Alan probably ran to escape the hell that shall pursue him as it did the HostUs owner when they hitched to GVH and people cancelled and bailed due to GVH/CC relationship.
DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
Big picture on LET/B is that if Charles Manson posted an offer for 8GB/$5 there would unfortunately be people lining up to buy because who can pass up a really good deal. GVH (like CVPS before them) has alienated many people but there is always a fresh supply of new bargain hunters coming in the door.
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drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
There's no doubt that there are ample e-crackheads over there on LE*. Knowing what I do, that marketplace might move inventory, but retention is laughable and expectations are unrealistic. Then again, many of the offering companies are equally laughable and unrealistic.Big picture on LET/B is that if Charles Manson posted an offer for 8GB/$5 there would unfortunately be people lining up to buy because who can pass up a really good deal. GVH (like CVPS before them) has alienated many people but there is always a fresh supply of new bargain hunters coming in the door.
It's interesting that GVH Jonny loved CVPS-Fab so much, he modeled his business after CVPS. Same scandal PR, no news is bad snooze, same wonky mega plans on overloaded nodes, same network, same shit customers, even the same damn official title.
Purchaser alienation won't happen though because of these two, where it will happen from is here, these are the seeds of destruction:
"If the customer doesn't do research before purchasing, it is the customer's fault." - mpkossen
When that marketplace is unregulated and ran by proven cheats... You know what happens, the customers are the victims.
There is a reason civilized countries have consumer protection, fair business practices, laws against false testimonials, etc.
My concern with this whole "An Hero" case is that it could very well be a ploy.
I mean, he appointed the whole 'CEO' thing as a way of getting heat off himself.
The people that called the police did the right thing but that doesn't mean it wasn't planned
to some extent.
I would hope that this whole hack business isn't a ploy.
All I can say is that this shouldn't back the pressure off him and all this crap.
Let him get things squared and settled but he has a lot to answer for.
Francisco
EDIT - added "the police"
I mean, he appointed the whole 'CEO' thing as a way of getting heat off himself.
The people that called the police did the right thing but that doesn't mean it wasn't planned
to some extent.
I would hope that this whole hack business isn't a ploy.
All I can say is that this shouldn't back the pressure off him and all this crap.
Let him get things squared and settled but he has a lot to answer for.
Francisco
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Man that would be evil if that was planned. Though since he has a established history of using the S word, I guess its not out of the question.
What happens when he is a grown up and is looking for a job. More and more places Google your name. It could result in a very bad outcome.
I think not only does he need to be concerned about the vulnerability currently in his business but his own personal brand.
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Luckily for him he has a very common Vietnamese name. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Jonathan%20Nguyen
Can't even find any mention of GVH-Jon on Google using his real name.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
You know that LE* scenario about sole operators, the one guy operations, and that potential for random bus accidents, planes landing on them or a pack of kangaroos punting their head off....
Yeah, folks have never contemplated their VPS and data being held hostage or lost due to self determination choices like the mighty S.
Another reason to select real hosts, with real employees, real structure, real contingency plans.
Yeah, folks have never contemplated their VPS and data being held hostage or lost due to self determination choices like the mighty S.
Another reason to select real hosts, with real employees, real structure, real contingency plans.
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
Protip, he better drop Greenvaluehost, period. I told him that earlier tonight.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Jonathan+Nguyen+greenvaluehost
#1 = Greenvaluehost.com: The absolute WORST hosting experien
#4 =
#6 = Jonathan Nguyen resigns as GreenValueHost Operations
#8 = GreenValueHost: Nice before order, Kick you after payment
and this isn't good either:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=greenvaluehost+suicide
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The only way I'd believe a bit of this is if he began meetings with a real doctor about his mental instability.
Not "Oh I saw Dr. Nick Rivera and now i'm alllll better!" but someone that'll get him real help.
You don't go publicly writing (and now archived) that you're going to kill yourself with a knife.
Francisco
drmike
100% Tier-1 Gogent
See, I just want to know, who let's a 16 year old kid run a company a gazillion hours a week, while he has school (yeah I know out now)... But the other 9 months. Where is Lance the incorporator? Where are Jonny's parents? Where is common sense? GVH has been mixed in lots of stuff, dealing with characters that minors shouldn't be.
I've threaded the line on this situation, said my piece to people inside and outside. It's not right what is going on. To me it feels like exploitation. I went and helped GVH during quieter period precisely due to this self-harm threat stuff last go round. So have others. Every time, good hearted people get roped and stuff repeats.
If I ran a colo/server company and knew I had this kid buying stuff I'd be shaking him off, sending him packing. Don't these companies in this industry give a shit who buys from them? Do people not care about liability for enabling this stuff? The kid seriously could be intending on hurting himself or worse, others in the process. His failure due to this isn't going to make it any better. Do we keep giving him deals, and buying his services because we feel bad for him? Pity purchases. Do we all become enablers? At some point, it's not being mean it's just reality that needs to shine through here.
I've threaded the line on this situation, said my piece to people inside and outside. It's not right what is going on. To me it feels like exploitation. I went and helped GVH during quieter period precisely due to this self-harm threat stuff last go round. So have others. Every time, good hearted people get roped and stuff repeats.
If I ran a colo/server company and knew I had this kid buying stuff I'd be shaking him off, sending him packing. Don't these companies in this industry give a shit who buys from them? Do people not care about liability for enabling this stuff? The kid seriously could be intending on hurting himself or worse, others in the process. His failure due to this isn't going to make it any better. Do we keep giving him deals, and buying his services because we feel bad for him? Pity purchases. Do we all become enablers? At some point, it's not being mean it's just reality that needs to shine through here.
DomainBop
Dormant VPSB Pathogen
Try googling his LinkedIn profile. I mentioned earlier in this thread that someone obviously either hacked it or setup a fake profile. https://www.google.com/search?q=jon+nguyen+windham+%2Bsite%3Alinkedin.com