mpkossen
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Any proof of this?
AFAIK, CC didn't take over officially (and I don't mean publicly) until a/some week(s) before the attacks happened.
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AFAIK, CC didn't take over officially (and I don't mean publicly) until a/some week(s) before the attacks happened.
drmike
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I'll be direct on things.
Joel was owed money by CC. That was said and spread by many people, some of which know Joel, supposedly. He said, she said, no doubt about it. If I ever get physical proof, you can bet you'll see it.
Now, the other word split contention about CC's official take over date, well that's problematic wording.
Lets be direct. CC never admitted in public that it owned or controlled LEB/LET until after the May hacks. The first CC person or affiliated party to admit such was Alex Vial. At that point, there was no way CC could lie their way out of things and play the prove it game. Even accomplishing that extraction required coxing.
To further that point Liam and other LET/LEB moderators knew nothing of the ownership, prior to the hack. Among those folks include some who were receiving payments. So either they are lying or CC is lying. Either way, the community loses.
As far as when CC took over for real, we can guess:
1. Prior to February 15, 2013:
2. In Q3 of 2012 when ads first appeared on one of the sites. (one had ads and other didn't?)
3. February 2012, when the DDoS attacks hit and the sites migrated to CC.
If I follow the money, the BSA account, it was set up February of 2012. At bet time, I'd place money on February 2012. I'd also wager a guess that there will be some story that goes something like:
"LEB/LET/Joel/Santa Claus didn't have money.... we bailed them out. In exchange for hosting their site, they agreed to let us run ads on the site(s)".
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Did anybody find out who the culprit was? My bet it would be one of those ones which managed to "Avoid" the attacks.
Jon has personally said to me that Joel started trying to hock the site within weeks of getting ownership.
There was someone who was bidding against Jon (be it they were willing to pay more I don't know) but that in the end CC took ownership. The change of hands happened when CC got their ad on the front of the site. Soon after that they hit LET with a truck full of ads to (as Jon also put it) recoup the cost of the site.
Originally I was thinking Joel sold for $50k but the more Jon talks about the cost I'm starting to get the feeling it went for closer to $75k - $100k.
I also think that it was burstnet that was probably trying to buy the site as well.
Francisco
There was someone who was bidding against Jon (be it they were willing to pay more I don't know) but that in the end CC took ownership. The change of hands happened when CC got their ad on the front of the site. Soon after that they hit LET with a truck full of ads to (as Jon also put it) recoup the cost of the site.
Originally I was thinking Joel sold for $50k but the more Jon talks about the cost I'm starting to get the feeling it went for closer to $75k - $100k.
I also think that it was burstnet that was probably trying to buy the site as well.
Francisco
Aldryic C'boas
The Pony
Not to be rude - but you even admitted "AFAIK" here. You're pretty much relying on what you've been told by your employer, who already has a STAGGERING track record for lies and deceit.
Well, when that whole mess first started, you had two very young UK kids running companies that were deeply involved with HackForums. One got pissy at the other, a few booter strikes were launched - and it pretty much just escalated from there.
jarland
The ocean is digital
This is not entirely true. Liam had been collecting a paycheck from ColoCrossing for quite a bit before this all came out.
This would be false. ColoCrossing had taken over LEB quite a bit beforehand. For reference, just ask who Stephanie was. You'll never get an answer. That means the owners pushed someone through to write articles and that was simply that. They had also been paying Liam for a while before the hacks.
Where is Joel, anyway?
I remember March of this year a LET moderator asking if we knew why payments for ads went to Alex at CC. This was months before everyone was informed of the ownership. The mods knew it.
In that same conversation it was mentioned that 'Joel pops in from time to time'. Doing what?
I remember March of this year a LET moderator asking if we knew why payments for ads went to Alex at CC. This was months before everyone was informed of the ownership. The mods knew it.
In that same conversation it was mentioned that 'Joel pops in from time to time'. Doing what?
All I know is what I've been told, and that is 'Stephanie' was connecting to the helpdesk via a CC IP. For reference, when I worked for URPad we were waiting for our offer to be posted. Was supposed to go up at a certain time/day, but later was told it'd be 'tomorrow' (or something) as some other higher priority things came up... Ok, cool. Well, Miller and I were on vacation and were at the time in a casino in the Bahamas and he notices the offer was live on LEB from his phone. We grab a cab and head back to the hotel to do work. We get there, the posting is gone. It was just there. We're informed it was taken down by 'Stephanie' who left a note to 'not approve it until I say' (or something along those lines). Who the hell is 'she'? Well after hours and hours of 'her' not making changes to to the offer, someone else (Zahara, I believe) posted it for us.
Considering it appears she's only published VPSAce listings, and the details above, most likely a fake name operated by one of the CC people: https://www.google.com/#q=site%3Alowendbox.com+stephanie+Jourgen For those out of the loop, VPSAce is a company owned by 'Chris N.' from across the border from Buffalo, who also owns SSDVPS, ServerMania, Aim2Game, and vpncast. His companies have been featured 13 times on LEB this year since March.
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drmike
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Joel is kitesailing --- or running his related business. Or being ill as others claimed.
February Nick from RamNode found the Alex = BuySellAd payments recipient. Moderators certainly got binged about that question in February.
All the way up to the hack (May), they were curious about ownership. All denied CC links. If they knew and lied, then may hell shower upon their soiled souls.
'Joel pops in from time to time'
Joel didn't exist for eons. Chief did. Biloh and Vial were hopping in as Chief. Such was said elsewhere and correlation to bans issued by Chief and later language from Jon and Alex about lifting said bans.
The CC folks need a lesson in transparency and to stop thinking everyone is so stupid/gullible.
February Nick from RamNode found the Alex = BuySellAd payments recipient. Moderators certainly got binged about that question in February.
All the way up to the hack (May), they were curious about ownership. All denied CC links. If they knew and lied, then may hell shower upon their soiled souls.
'Joel pops in from time to time'
Joel didn't exist for eons. Chief did. Biloh and Vial were hopping in as Chief. Such was said elsewhere and correlation to bans issued by Chief and later language from Jon and Alex about lifting said bans.
The CC folks need a lesson in transparency and to stop thinking everyone is so stupid/gullible.
Now that you mention it, where is Stephanie, Zahra and all the names that used to appear?
Zahra was an employee of Joel, so I guess she left with him? Stephanie? Rumor has it, it is one of KevDam's alias.
Zahra was a staffer of Joel's, I remember that.
No one really knows where Joel is. Liam claims to still hear from him once in a blue moon but who knows. Last time I heard from him is when he called me before the Vegas move to wish me good luck with it. I got back home and never heard from him again.
We used to talk quite a bit, usually a few times a week but that all went to pot abrubtly in February. Liam claims he had a heart attack but I dunno about that. I know he was in the hospital quite a bit last year so there could be truth behind it.
Now, Jon claims this is all hogwash and that the guys healthy as an oxe and likely just very busy.
Francisco
No one really knows where Joel is. Liam claims to still hear from him once in a blue moon but who knows. Last time I heard from him is when he called me before the Vegas move to wish me good luck with it. I got back home and never heard from him again.
We used to talk quite a bit, usually a few times a week but that all went to pot abrubtly in February. Liam claims he had a heart attack but I dunno about that. I know he was in the hospital quite a bit last year so there could be truth behind it.
Now, Jon claims this is all hogwash and that the guys healthy as an oxe and likely just very busy.
Francisco
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drmike
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That's the premise, the root of the research and this post.
CC tries to defend their own customers being such a big percentage by saying:
1. Most offers are from CC network customers
2. Most offers in general aren't anything exceptional, more of the same and rejected by CC.
3. The percentage of CC based offers has increased since there are less offers posted.
All these are bad. Folks said, in the past LEB was more heavily Burst.net or Wholesale on the offers. While such likely is true, I am nearly certain one facility never represented 40%+ of the published offers in any month.
I've posted here and CC + moderators certainly are aware of that B2 Net / Serverhub / Aim2Game / 10 other brands:
http://vpsboard.com/topic/963-thread-for-buffalooed-to-investigate
They are somewhere over 10 offer posts on LEB this year.
Why CC allows that to happen clearly is for one reason. MONEY.
We expect LET/LEB to do the right thing? It is as unlikely as putting a pedophile in charge of the daycare yielding a positive outcome.
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Welcome to VPSBoard where everyone is determined to focus as much attention as possible on lowendbox.... haha this is getting silly guys, move on , sniff some grass etc etc.
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Yes. Decreasing amount of offers posted, increasing number of Colocrossing offers.
When Alex Vial from Colocrossing said (source):
I guess he wasn't lying about lowering the actual volume of offers. I think the 'people' he's referring to though is the CC gang.
Business is business I s'pose.
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